The Qpid community has been debating whether or not they should include an unreleased snapshot version of MINA within their upcoming Qpid release, and whether they would even be allowed to do so by "Apache rules". The committers want to do the right thing and have asked their mentors for advice. Paul and I (mentors) have both said that there could be a way to do this properly, but we also both thought it was worth discussing on this list, in part because we expect other podlings out there will have similar questions.
I don't want to revisit the ongoing infrastructure thread about what constitutes a release, where builds/releases should and shouldn't be placed, etc. Instead, I'm hoping to understand concerns that Incubator PMC members have about one of our projects releasing code that includes unreleased code from another project/podling. The key point here is that any PMC that releases any code is always responsible for what it is releasing, whether it's code written under the purview of the PMC or other dependencies included in the project -- this isn't a question about whether unreleased code can be distributed without being voted upon; it's a question of which PMC is doing the voting. To see the debate that the Qpid community has been having, take a look at some of the threads at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-qpid-dev/200611.mbox/thread?3, particularly the "Maven and artifacts...." thread. Part of the debate involves technical pros and cons, but I'm trying to get at any policy issues. I should point out that the Qpid committers have already submitted patches to the MINA folks, and from what I've read, MINA has been very receptive and helpful. The issue here is that even when the patch is committed to MINA's trunk, they may not choose to create a release just for this patch or for other reasons within the timeframe when Qpid would like to do their release. One thing I'm not sure about is whether the MINA folks have any concerns about Qpid including the snapshot in their release. While this issue could apply to any ASF project, not just incubating ones, I'm raising the issue here because this would be the PMC that would ultimately approve or reject the release. Interested in hearing everyone's thoughts (especially PMC members). Thanks, Cliff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
