William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
IMHO - the only reason to have a project (TLP or subproject, no matter) is to release code. Anything prior to a release might be a sandbox, it might be a podling, it might be a lose alliance of the willing. Whatever...
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That said ... I don't believe anyone is saying Harmony must release it's entire codebase to graduate. Any working and usable component or part of the harness could be released as 0.1 alpha version, the processes followed, the issues raised and resolved. With a codebase as large as Harmony, I sure don't expect the whole ball of wax to be ready, or at the same level of stability, all at once.
Be aware that in the context of J2SE, a "release" must fulfill some compatibility requirements. Included in this is a requirement not to subset.
Of course, one could simply manufacture a synthetic release for the purposes of satisfying a perceived incubation requirement, but honestly, that seems more like one of the "ticky-marks driven processes" I tend to see within my day job than anything I would expect to see at the ASF.
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So as much as I admire the enthusiasm of the entire community and know that the vote will disappoint some folks, I'll repeat my root question; how does incubation status interfere with progress of the Harmony project prior to its first release?
If you forgive me, let me propose a thought experiment. Why don't we simply dissolve the board, and throw everything back into incubation? What would it hurt? Projects obviously have been holding releases during incubation, many have had multiple releases.
No, that's not a serious proposal. What I am growing increasingly concerned with is that we (collectively) have started to lose sight on what the mission of the incubator is. Yes, not having a release is an indicator, but there certainly are other indicators. No, I'm not advocating that we "rush" projects out of the incubator.
What I am looking for is a happy medium. In particular, I would like to see is for the rate of disposition (either in a positive or negative manner) of projects in the incubator approximate the rate of creation.
More succinctly: I want to see projects that are ready to graduate start graduating, not because it benefits them, but because befits the incubator.
Returning the subject back to Harmony, with regard to a release, what matters more to me is whether or not those who are directly involved with Harmony (which most decidedly does *not* include me) are interested in producing a release at this time. If not, and if their reasons make sense, then I would be inclined to respect their wishes.
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