Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >> >> I certainly hope that the concept of 'releasing the code' isn't just a tick >> mark - I'd imagined (contrary to other proposals flying around) that it's the >> end goal of nearly any collaborative effort at the ASF, no? > > No, because then every project would simply disband after milestone 1 :)
End-goal might be the wrong word :) Yet and still a high visibility milestone. > After contemplating for several months now, we thought the time was > right. I think requiring a release is losing sight of the basic > premises of incubator, which are creating a healthy apache community > with a clean codebase. Some of the IPMC have operated on this assumption for several years, and I'm fairly loathe to change this prerequisite across the board. In this case Tim's post indicates to me that the project is prepared to confront those issues as it nears release. [massive snipage of general agreement and answered issues] >> And as far as their wishes go, nobody's addressing the question, >> >>>> how does incubation status interfere with progress of the Harmony >>>> project prior to its first release? >> >> Can someone shed some light on this, please? > > Because being out of the incubator gives others confidence that there is > a solid community (-ish) and that the greater Apache community is > serious about the project and approves it. It's really all about > external perception. (I was happy just coding away down there for the > last 18 months, but it's time...) > > For some projects, this means that people are more willing to use the > software as it feels more "real". In our case, where we're always > looking for contributors and participants, and many of these potential > contributors are conservative commercial organizations, they may be > holding back simply because they want to wait until we are "real". I > personally don't have this problem, but I've heard it enough times to > know that the perception is out there. With your's and Tim's feedback though - I'm very comfortable changing my own opinion to +/-0 for graduation before any "release" in the case of Harmony. (And please note it's a huge exception to the general principles I follow - but that's primarilly because of the expertise if the mentors stay on board through the first few releases and the formation of a user community.) Last checkpoint, "Has the sponsoring PMC [e.g. Board] voted to accept the project?" You have a few hours yet to put a resolution on their plate for next week. And honestly - they would probably table it for review even if you gave them a month lead time, so might as well get that out of the way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
