+1 Eric
-----Original Message----- From: Berin Lautenbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:18 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership Roy T. Fielding wrote: > The people listed in the proposal as committers are the PPMC. If some > project allows too many people to jump on the proposal at the beginning > in order to make the proposal look better to Apache, then they are stuck > with the results. Don't like that answer? Then dissolve the podling > and start over. Have committers that haven't bothered to contribute? > Then vote them off the island, just like a real PMC. Truth in advertising > demands that you follow the process as described in the proposal and > use the Apache mailing lists for all project discussions. +1. Reading through this thread it reads like we want to have our cake and eat it to. - We want to have a full proposal that we approve and vote on, then we want to ignore the bits of the proposal we don't like (initial list of committers). - We want a podling to generate a community, but the first bit of community they build (the communal decision in a proposal as to who is allowed to commit) we decide we want to ignore. Even worse, we now don't even want to allow them to even suggest that list - we want to create an arbitrary bureaucratic beast (the PPMC) that will make that decision for them. (Before anyone jumps down my throat - I like the PPMC, but it should represent the community, not (within reason) enforce a style on the community.) Personally I want to see community in action. Let the initial list of committers in, make them the PPMC and watch what happens. If we don't like the way it settles down - *then* we have a reason to step in and argue. And as far as I'm concerned - if the people who wrote the proposal agreed to the names being on the list, then those names should automatically carry through as committers. If you don't like the results - then as Roy says - "Vote them off the island". But do it openly, do it transparently and do it on the lists. BTW - There is a middle ground here. There is nothing that says that the list of committers must carry through from podling to project. Why not have a review prior to being made a project that looks at all commits? If anyone on the initial list has never committed or contributed during the course of the incubation, then they get removed from the committer list. That can even be a process that the PPMC votes on prior to exit. Cheers, Berin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
