The way this 'debate' has continued has been very embarrassing - It just makes me wonder why anyone would consider donating code to Apache in the future ...

On 5 Feb 2006, at 21:03, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:


James Strachan wrote:
We have received the generous donation of a complete and working BPE engine to the ServiceMix project... http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/ 200602.mbox/% [EMAIL PROTECTED] the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete the necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with us on integrating it into ServiceMix.

I assume we'd all get to see the code under an Apache License before deciding to accept. How else could we vote it in?

[SNIP]

I'll go out on a limb here :

[X] -1 I object because: .......

... I think that a BPEL engine is something that spans many of the WS and SOA oriented projects at the ASF, such as ServiceMix, Tuscany, Synapse, Agila, etc...

However, that's not my main reason, because honestly, if I was the only one that cared about that, I wouldn't ever attempt to stand in the way of people wanting to do cool things.

However, this proposal has sent up far too many red flags, has alienated too many people, and is causing too much of a bad feeling in people, for ServiceMix, for Geronimo and for the ASF in general.

I'd suggest you make a big effort to cool things down and get a broad conversation going, over at [EMAIL PROTECTED], drive to consensus, and then regroup and try again.

geir





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