Am with you Roy :) -- dims
On 12/1/05, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 1, 2005, at 3:13 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > > >> As much as I would enjoy seeing two umbrella projects duel over > >> an amorphous set of marketing terms invented by IBM, I think the > >> ASF should be developing products, not architectural styles. > >> Although, calling SOA an architectural style would imply that it has > >> some constraints -- does anyone know what they are? > > > > Aren't you being a *tad* harsh here, Roy? The proposal isn't to > > develop an architectural style, but software for people working in > > that style. (Whatever that is...) > > Not really. When I am harsh, LCD screens melt. > > > So it's fair to take pot shots at SOA - we all do - but I think > > there's an earnest effort here, and there's code that will seed it. > > Sure, but unless the proposal reflects that effort I will vote > against it. > SOA should not be the proposal. What dims described is much better. > > Just to be entirely blunt, any vague container proposal is doomed to > failure as a collaboration because it is nothing more than a design > pissing contest. There has to be some common goal that is clearly > definable in order for a group of independent collaborators to keep > from strangling each other over a long-term project. The key to > such projects is to define the goal and desired properties up front > so that everyone entering the project agrees to them and thus have > objective criteria over which they can evaluate designs. The criteria > can change over time, provided the project agrees to that change. > People who want to pursue different goals or maintain a different > set of criteria can start a competing project. I personally like > it when Apache competes with itself. > > So, that is what I want to see in an incubator proposal. I want to > see a clear indication that the project is something that a group > of independent software developers can collaborate on without ASF > board intervention. > > ....Roy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
