On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 07:48 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:...
robert burrell donkin wrote:
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Listen dude, I asked the Ant project myself to move, and got flamed for that. I lobbied some James guys to do the same. I brought the discussion forward on the community mailing list. I took part in the Cocoon project going TL.
If there is someone here that has pushed projects top-level, that's me.
you've persuaded projects of the advantage of going top level. cool. ok, you've now decided that you're fed up of persuading people.
I was not fed up of persuaing. I am fed up of persuading the PMC that I want to persuade... bah!
i can understand that. it's a thankless task.
but IMHO this isn't what pushing projects means. pushing projects means threatening them with an ultimatum - either find some top level project that's willing to accept you or we close your repository and remove your commit rights. IMHO it's unfair to expect the jakarta pmc to put this kind of pressure on sub-projects. this can only come from the membership through the board.
Hey, this is your view, and I have *never* said that. I call that *kick* out, not push.
i'm sad that you decided to leave rather than take on (at least some of) this task.
I'm sad that my last proposal for pushing projects top-level did not find approval. I don't know you, but I would not take on a task that others do not agree with.
it's a pity that you didn't stay around to talk about your proposal or put it to the vote.
How much time do I need to wait for it. It was not the first time it was said, and how could I discuss a proposal that basically got no comment (one negative actually)? Besides, I don't usually put to vote a proposal that recieves no positive replies.
maybe we misunderstood your proposal: if you had said "i'll volunteer to help every jakarta sub-project to realize that they want their own top level project" then i think the response would have been different.
We don't all have the same way of expressing ourselves, and given the Jakarta projects I had already helped our you would have known.
As I said in my farewell note, I went away from Jakarta only marginally for this.
The real reason is that having helped the projects I follow go top-level, almost nothing remained at Jakarta.
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