I would probably be more in favour of a split email+Slack/Teams
approach. Email works well for most discussion, but I like the quick
more informal communication in a chat system. I have generally been very
happy with the way Slack has worked when I have contributed to Zephyr in
my spare time. As long as you have a threading email client, I can't see
any benefits of a forum other than archiving (services like groups.io
seems to solve that).
I think we are fooling ourselves if we think switching from email to a
different medium is going to solve underlying problem the there is a
small number of experienced users that answer most of the questions on
the lists.
Cheers,
Andreas
On 10/06/2020 16:32, Daniel Gerzhoy via gem5-dev wrote:
I think this is a great idea! Emails threads aren't a great way to do this
just because there's no mechanism for well formatted responses to
particular points in someone's questions, posting code, or things like
"upvoting" responses.
I see Daniel's point about less engagement if we move it to a forum, but I
think that could be alleviated by encouraging people to keep email
notifications up.
Cheers,
Dan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:23 AM Giacomo Travaglini via gem5-dev <
[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Daniel and Ciro; it's difficult/annoying to navigate through
old unanswered emails and I presume nobody does that at the moment.
Most of the time if your email doesn't get a quick response as soon as it
gets posted, you can forget about getting some help as time passes; there
is a short window and you really have to hope someone flagged your email or
got some time to address your problem.
I wouldn't use JIRA to be honest for asking questions; that's beyond the
scope of JIRA and it would be chaotic to mix Bug Reports, Improvement tasks
with normal questions (like: I cannot build gem5 on my machine, or does
anyone know how this works)
Giacomo
-----Original Message-----
From: Ciro Santilli via gem5-dev <[email protected]>
Sent: 10 June 2020 09:21
To: gem5 Developer List <[email protected]>
Cc: Ciro Santilli <[email protected]>
Subject: [gem5-dev] Re: [Suggestion] Replace gem5-users mailing-list with
Discourse
I would just use JIRA. But after that, Discourse is the second best. And
anything is better than a mailing list :-) ________________________________
From: Jason Lowe-Power via gem5-dev <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 11:40 PM
To: gem5 Developer List <[email protected]>
Cc: gem5 users mailing list <[email protected]>; Jason Lowe-Power <
[email protected]>
Subject: [gem5-dev] Re: [Suggestion] Replace gem5-users mailing-list with
Discourse
+1 for Discourse :).
Just to give a bit more context: I'm also trying to find a good forum for
community engagement during my online Learning gem5 class this summer. I
would like to find a platform that could be used generally for my class
this summer, future iterations of the class, and general gem5 questions, as
I believe there will be significant overlap between these groups.
Other potential options that IMO have more cons than pros when compared to
Discourse:
- Slack/Teams/etc.
- gitter.im
- stackoverflow
That said, we're open to suggestions :). Our goal is to create the most
welcoming and inclusive environment possible. We'll go where our users are!
Cheers,
Jason
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:45 PM Bobby Bruce via gem5-dev <[email protected]
wrote:
Dear all,
In an effort to better support the gem5 community, there has been a
suggestion that we drop the gem5-users mailing list and replace it
with Discourse, https://www.discourse.org/about, a web-based
discussion platform. I'm writing this email to propose this to the
community and ask for feedback on the matter.
We have noticed that using mailing lists as our primary communication
platform is problematic. Sending an email to a list can be daunting
experience, requiring an etiquette many are not accustom to. I'm sure
I'm not the only one who feels like they are unduly bothering a large
number of people when posting to a list (like I'm doing right now :)
). This is, of course, an unfortunate hurdle for many to get over when
they encounter problems using gem5, particularly those new to the
project. I've come to believe mailing lists are simply not a very good
technology for fostering community engagement and helping those who are
running into difficulties.
Mailing lists are also difficult to search, and lack proper formatting
mechanisms to neatly display attributes such as code and output logs.
Looking around at alternative technologies available, Discourse
appears to be a suitable replacement. For those unaware, Discourse is
(essentially) a revamp of messaging forums. It is an increasingly
popular platform for users and developers in open source projects to
communicate with one another (see LLVM's discourse as an example:
https://llvm.discourse.group ).
All-in-all, I think it's a well-designed product and contains all the
features we'd expect and need to get our work done. I can see no
immediate downsides to using it, though feedback from the community on
the matter would be greatly appreciated, particularly from those who
have used Discourse before. Dissenting opinions on the whole idea of
moving away from the gem5-user's mailing list are also welcome.
So, let me know what you think! :)
Please note, regardless as to any decision made, we will continue the
use of the gem5-dev mailing list for technical discussions for the
foreseeable future.
Kind regards,
Bobby
--
Dr. Bobby R. Bruce
Room 2235,
Kemper Hall, UC Davis
Davis,
CA, 95616
web: https://www.bobbybruce.net
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