On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 02:13:06PM +0000, Joseph Myers wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2019, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> 
> > Most of us are perfectly happy even with the current git mirror, for
> > old commits.  We want "real" git to make the workflow for new commits
> > better.
> > 
> > No more delays, _please_.
> 
> The timetable is a useful guideline.  It should not be our master when 
> there are clear improvements with implementations already available; 
> waiting to the actual end of stage 3 makes sense (when waiting another 
> year would not make sense).  When we're talking about something to be used 
> for the next 20 years we should make sure to get it right.

We should not take five years to get it done.

And the current mirror is "right", already, as Jeff said at the Cauldron
(a minute before we unanymously decided to do the conversion soon; this
is over three months ago already).

> All conversions clearly need more validation work.

No, I do not agree with that.  We have had the opportunity to look at
Maxim's conversions for months already, since before the Cauldron, and
it has been perfectly adequate from the start imnsho, and it has been
improved a little since even.

> That missing branches 
> in Maxim's conversion could be noted only today clearly shows that 

... clearly shows that *no one cares* about those branches.

 (and 
> conversions with an ad hoc script need much more thorough, trickier 
> validation because you don't benefit from knowing the tool has worked for 
> other conversions).

Reposurgeon is ad-hoc as well, and the current implementation is a
complete rewrite, and not proven *at all*.  At least Maxim's scripts are
just that: scripts, using some very well-tested very widely used tools
as building blocks.

> > If the reposurgeon conversion is not ready now, then it is too late
> > to be selected.
> 
> I believe it's at least as ready as Maxim's.

I do not agree.  You say the reposurgeon conversion is not ready today.
Maxim's conversion has been ready for many months.


Segher

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