On 5/13/19 2:43 AM, Frank Tetzel wrote:
>>> Every year there are new vulnerabilities, and some of them are
>>> possible because of ROP attacks.
>>> There are a couple things that come to mind to thwart ROP attacks
>>> that would rely on compiler changes in particular, instead of a
>>> kernel change or hardware change.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone in the GCC project might be willing to
>>> consider these in order to improve computer security?
>>>
>>> Idea 1.
>>> Use separate stacks for local variables and stack data.
>>> - Use RSP for return addresses, as usual.
>>> - Use RBP for functions' local storage i.e. to point to a second
>>> downward-growing stack that is in the heap, far from the return
>>> stack. This way, a buffer overflow (stack smashing attack) would
>>> wipe out functions' data but not return addresses, therefore no ROP.
>>> I realize that use of two stacks is an old idea, but now that we
>>> have many more general purpose registers, using RBP in this way
>>> should be economical.
>>>
>>> Idea 2.
>>> ROP depends on gadgets, which are short segments of code ending in
>>> RET. The tricky thing about mitigating ROP is that gadgets are in
>>> unexpected places i.e. not the end of the function where the main
>>> RET instruction is. Wherever a RET opcode byte is found, even if it
>>> is inside of an immediate value, it can be used to form a gadget.
>>> Therefore to reduce the number of available ROP gadgets, first make
>>> sure that all immediate values in the program lack bytes that
>>> include RET opcodes, so simply replace 0xCB and 0xCA bytes (on x86)
>>> with other values. For example: add RAX, 0xCB01
>>> becomes
>>>    add RAX, 0xC001
>>>    add RAX, 0x0B00
>>> Similarly if a branch instruction's relative offset contains a 0xCB
>>> or 0xCA in the low offset byte, put a few NOPs in front of it to
>>> ensure that byte will not be a RET. It might be tricky to avoid the
>>> ModRM byte 0xCB (as in ADD BL, CL) but it can be done.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.  
>> Bernd and others within Red Hat looked at ROP mitigation a while back.
>> We ultimately stopped development of gadget spoilage due to the
>> emergence of CET and instead we've put our focus there.
>>
>> While CET won't help older processors, it's my belief it's the right
>> first major step in ROP mitigation.  At this point we believe RHEL 8
>> is fully ready to use CET when processors hit the streets.  I haven't
>> tracked Fedora as closely, but if it's not ready it shouldn't be hard
>> to make it ready.  I suspect other distros have similar plans around
>> CET.
>>
>> I'm not aware of anyone seriously looking at separate stacks for GCC
>> right now.  To some degree the stack protector serves the same purpose
>> without separating stacks.
> 
> 
> Are you talking about Intel CET[1]? It includes a shadow stack for
> return addresses. CALL pushes to both stacks, normal and shadow, and
> RET pops from both and does a comparison before jumping.
> 
> The other feature of CET is Indirect Branch Tracking which enforces
> that every legal target of an indirect call/jump starts with an
> 'endbranch' instruction. This should limit the number of useful gadgets.
> 
> I'm not a security expert. I just came across the 'endbr64' instruction
> when disassemblying the other day and was curious.
Yes.  endbr64 is part of the new CET instructions.  It marks valid
indirect branch/call targets.

jeff

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