[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Beebe)  wrote on 29.05.05 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 29 May 2005 11:37:00 +0200, Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Robert Ladd)  wrote on 28.05.05
> > > in In my experience, people don't file Bugzilla reports because it feels
> > > impersonal and unresponsive. The form is not very user-friendly (as in
> > > friendly to users of GCC, not its developers.)
> >
> > This is pretty much incomprehensible to me (NOT a gcc developer, but a gcc
> > user - that is, a programmer).

[...]

> OK, then let me explain it to you. The problem with the GCC Bugzilla
> reporting system is that it's a system that only other developers can
> tolerate, let alone love.

But then, users of GCC typically *are* developers themselves, no?

>The entire GCC website (of which GCC
> Bugzilla is a part) could be the poster child for why developers
> should never be allowed to design user interfaces, especially web user
> interfaces. I'm sure I'll get flamed for wanting style over substance
> or about the proliferation of eye candy, but the GCC web site and it's

... which I think are poster childs why non-technical people *usually*  
ought not to be allowed to design web sites.

> attendent support pages can only be charitably described as eye trash.
> Yes, you can find the bug link if you read the main page long enough
> and move down the page slowly enough, or if, like me, you fire up
> Firefox's find and use that to go quickly to the bug link. But that's
> beside the point. At the very least the design of the GCC web site
> makes the whole project look like someone who has just discovered the
> web and decided to build a few pages. And please don't harp on making

To me, it looks *very* professional.

> it standards compliant and viewable by every browser in existance.
> There are plenty of well-designed and excellent sites that follow
> those same rules. You just need to be willing to put in the effort to
> look a little more professional and polished. And just to stir the pot

<shrug> that effort has pretty obviously been put in.

> further, a web site is an important marketing tool. It's the first
> thing that a lot of people will see when they go looking for help. If
> you want to have more people participate, then make the tools more
> inviting.

I think you're pretty much off by 180 degrees.

MfG Kai

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