On Wednesday 23 February 2005 11:03 am, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Andrew Haley:
> > Patrick McFarland writes:
> >  > Today lilo (the FreeNode network owner) has decided to make one step
> >  > away in a direction opposite of freedom, and banned all Tor users from
> >  > the FreeNode network.
> >
> > I can't find a statement from FreeNode.
>
> There is one, but it's fairly reasonable (Tor users are clearly
> marked, not banned).

Actually, lilo and company _have_ been k-lining and otherwise banning Tor 
users off the net, due to the actions of one or two users harassing some of 
the larger channels. They are stepping into the territory of a chanop's 
responsibility to police their own channel.

This is no different than if the military arrested you for jay walking.

> Patrick McFarland spammed countless mailing lists with his message.
> Apparently, he's not interested in a real discussion, otherwise he'd
> stick to the facts.

No, I have warned multiple projects of lilo's wrongdoing, and suggested they 
move to another network. You can disagree with my assessment of the 
situation, but don't call it spamming. This is a real issue, and each project 
needs to decide if they want to deal with it or not.

> > This would be a more appropriate discussion for GNU, which uses
> > Freenode as its official IRC network.  I can't see what would be
> > achieved by gcc, a GNU project, going off on its own.
>
> I though that #gcc on oftc.net was more active, anyway, or has this
> changed?

This was more of a request for the #gcc on freenode to catch up with the rest 
of the #gcc and finally move to oftc.

-- 
Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd 
all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to
repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989

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