Pies were intended to run linux - and there are systems that'll run fine off an sd card (there are actually ways to run out of just ram without writing anything, called live boot systems). The problem is that XP wasn't, so its not going to do things like reduce the amount of writing it does to save the card. Also as I said, since you only have 1gb of ram, xp won't be happy once you start doing work. You may be able to disable your swapfile completely, but the computer will not like it and may destabilize.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Wright" <blindgame...@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 18:47 To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] creating an audio game console - was RE: memory The pie can run Windows? I didn’t know that. As for Windows XP, I’d be very surprised if it would run at all. Running any operating system off an SD card is a bad idea. (I’m looking at the Braille Note Touch) Why doesn’t the pie have internal storage? Wouldn’t the card be worn out from running Linux all the time? > On Oct 21, 2016, at 4:18 PM, john <jpcarnemo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Because I needed things to google, I did a bit of looking at the Pie's > specs > for the feasibility of running windows as a miniature gaming platform. > Its got 1gb ram, which means you're outright using xp or earlier. Xp will > run happily enough on 1gb - though its happier with 2. Expect some > lifetime > reduction in whatever card you choose for your OS drive. > This outlaws all of VG Storm's titles, unless they manage to get their > games > running on xp, but other than that, I can't think of anything that won't > run > on these specs. > The CPU looks ok - 1.2ghz, but its running four cores which will help > offset > some of the speed issues. Fine for xp and games, as long as you don't > expect > it to move the world. > Storage will depend on the micro SD card you pick. A brief amazon search > shows me a 64gb sandisk for $20, and a 32gb for $10. If you want more, > there's a 128gb for $42, which means there's no real cost per gb gain for > any of the capacities (a 16gb kingston is also available for $5.25, but > that's pushing the lower limit of what would run xp, and audiogames aren't > exactly small). > The latest Pie (released in February of this year) has built-in wireless, > so > you'll be able to play games like swamp or run muds if you want to do > that. > However, I see a couple relatively major problems: > Firstly, you're doing one of the major noNos in computing - running an > operating system off something like an sd card. Xp was not designed to do > this. The card was not designed to do this, and the middling amount of ram > you have means that once you start gaming you're going to be abusing the > card even further. The larger the card you get the longer it'll last - so > that 128gb suddenly looks a lot more appealing if you don't want to have > to > replace your storage device. > Secondly, is the fact that you have to run windows Xp. I'm not going to > start on the unsupported thing - it doesn't matter for our purposes, > because > you're not going to be doing anything secure on the pie - if its on the > internet, you're probably only connecting to game servers. What I will say > though is that you can't buy Xp anymore. This may be the death null for > any > project that wants to sell these as fully decked out audiogaming machines. > The last thing you want is Microsoft kicking down your door with a lawsuit > over those 250 pirated copies of Xp you sold. > I think its a really cool idea, but when you get into setting it up, its > probably not going to work out as well as you'd hope, unless you somehow > manage to configure a linux distro via wine to run all the games you want > to > include (linux will run fine on those specs but since all of our > audiogames > are compiled for windows you'd have to script an amazing amount of prep > work). > > Best, > John > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Paul Lemm" <paul.lem...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:52 > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Subject: [Audyssey] creating an audio game console - was RE: memory > > Hi Travis, > > I don't know a huge amount about it, but wouldn't something like the > Raspberry PI be perfect for something like this? There cheap at less than > £40 for a brand new latest PI model, and I know you can get free text to > speech for the PI , as I have one myself which I use as a kind of media > server for streaming movies and sport so it had spoken menus. I did > however brought a PI for my brother as a present and turned it into a > retro > gaming console (sorry before anyone gets excited, this was a retro gaming > console for sighted people so completely inaccessible( that played > everything from the ZX spectrum through to the Nintendo N64, because it > already had built in WIFI and USB ports it was easy to hook up to the > internet wirelessly and we plugged an Xbox controller straight into the > PI so it was fairly straight forward. I believe you can get a windows OS > for the PI, I'm just not sure if audio games would run on that or not, if > they did it would be a simple case of installing the windows OS, setting > up > the text to speech, loading it up with audio games then once done just > copying the SD card , you could then either sell an SD card with the > preformatted image on the card, or set up a download to the SD card image > that people could download and then put on an SD card themselves, you > could > either sell the PI yourself or leave it for people to buy the PI > themselves > as they would just need to insert the preformatted SD card and it would be > good to go with no setting up required. > > Again like I said I don't know a huge amount about the PI and the > different > operating systems and whether this would work, but now I think about it I > vaguely remember someone on this list saying they had set up a PI to play > audio games on, I could be wrong on this, but I'm sure someone did, I just > can't remember who it was. > > Sorry for the long message by the way > > People would just need to insert the SD card into a PI and it would be all > set up and ready to go > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Travis > Siegel > Sent: 21 October 2016 16:38 > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] memory > > No it wouldn't cost much at all. I've already tried to fly this > concept, and got turned down flat by most developers I approached. > They['re just not interested. <sigh> > > Using a raspberry pi as the heart, it would be a trivial matter to build > a menuing system, pack the sd card full of every kind of game > imaginable, and sell the thing for a hundred bucks or so, and still make > a bit of a proffit (admittedly, not much, but still ...) The problem is > tht you'll need games for the thing, and since it uses an arm processor > (the same line as the iPhones) folks just don't want to port their > windows apps to the arm processor, even though, in some cases it's as > simple as recompiling with a different mainstream compiler. I thought > about going ahead and making an sd card with all the stuff I could find > and port on my own, then just sell the sd card for a few bucks more to > cover costs than anything else, and I may still do that, but without > ports of things like rsgames game client, and a bit more sound variety, > folks aren't going to be much interested in it. > > (Just for reference) > > This is my second attempt to float the idea of a gaming console for the > blind, the first attempt was several years ago using a small credit card > sized computer from parallax, and although initially folks said they > were interested, once the capabilities of the chip were discussed, they > all gave it up as a bad idea, because it wasn't on par with modern > windows systems. (well duh), that's the whole point of a gaming > console. But anyway, that's it in a nutshell. > > > On 10/20/2016 6:38 PM, The Life of Z wrote: >> Thanks Dark that' is some incouragement. Maybe I'll be able to play it >> aafter allWWWell, that was an intresting post. I think the reason why >> developers don't make any game additions for the sighted is because of X >> box 1 and playstatttion 4. I had an idea for a console for the blind >> but >> I don't know how to get it off the ground. It would be like a game >> console >> like and x--box or playstation except it could handle games for the >> blind. >> I'd even have a li'l button tthat you could press to have a visual >> display >> just incase you had sighted family or friends that wanted to play with > you. >> Of courrse, if I got some developers to help me bbbuild the thing, it > would >> probably cost a bunch like everything made fffor us blind people. >> Somtimesss I hate that. >> >> On Oct 20, 2016 11:43 AM, "Travis Siegel" <tsie...@nfbcal.org> wrote: >> >>> You're likely to get a lot of responses to these questions, but I'll > chime >>> in anyway. >>> >>> To answer the first question. >>> >>> No, it doesn't take as much room for a game for the visually impaired as >>> it does for a sighted gamer. The reason being, although sounds can be >>> large, (especially high-quality ones), you don't have to deal with >>> graphics, which can eat considerably more space. My son is always >>> buying >>> the newest games, and these days, they're almost always several >>> gigabytes >>> in size. I have yet to see an audio game that packs that big of a >>> punch, >>> though I'm not exactly an expert on audio games for the blind, > considering >>> I'm not a fan of windows, and only recently got another windows machine >>> which I have done without for more than 10 years. On the other hand, >>> I'm >>> quite a bit puzzled why absolutely no attempt is made by folks who make >>> blind games to make them sighted friendly. Admittedly,it would take >>> extra >>> work, and in some cases, it might be more work than it's worth, but in >>> general, when a game is made for the blind community, nothing is done to >>> the game to make it be playable by sighted gamers. >>> >>> Sometimes, the effort is so minimal, it is laughable, and yet, >>> developers >>> of blind games do the very thing they accuse the sighted world of doing > to >>> us. <shrug> I have never released a product that wasn't usable by both >>> sighted and blind users alike, though again, I haven't been doing > anything >>> at all in the windows world for more than 10 years, and most of the >>> freelance work I do has nothing to do with blind folks at all, but >>> that's >>> beside the point. I find it frustrating sometimes when I download a > shiny >>> new game to play, only to find that my wife and children can't enjoy the >>> game with me, because there is no attempt made to give the sighted world >>> any interface at all. Case in point, rs games. Except for the sounds, >>> there's absolutely no reason whatsoever why the client can't have the > text >>> written on the screen right along with the spoken text. Instead, the >>> sighted folks have to use the web interface wich is so plain, they don't >>> even want to bother with it. >>> >>> I've been a web developer for roughly 20 years, and honestly, it's not >>> hard to make web sites presentable to the sighted as well as the blind >>> if >>> it's done correctly. Yes, you'll need a sighted person to look at the >>> thing, and say things like, move the graphic to the other side of the > text, >>> or why does that link not have a picture, but it's not a difficult > process. >>> >>> As for the rest of your questions, I'll leave those for others, as I've >>> gotten badly off topic with this post, and while I could rant for >>> several >>> pages, it's not helpful to do so, so I'll stop here, with the >>> expectation >>> that I'll get blasted 3 ways from sunday for daring to speak such >>> blastphemy, and discussions of how hard and time consuming it would be >>> to >>> make things usable by the sighted. I don't mean full out graphics with > full >>> motion video and such, but just a little effort put into maybe having a > few >>> pictures, (or as pointed about rsgames client,) just adding text instead > of >>> having speech only. It's not hard, and it allows friends and family to >>> play along, even if it's not the best experience in the world for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/19/2016 12:53 PM, The Life of Z wrote: >>> >>>> I have a question for you guys. Does it take a lot more memory for >>>> games >>>> for the blind to be created or is it about the same as a game for the >>>> sighted world? My second question is does it take up a lot of space for >>>> all >>>> you gamers out their who have PC computers? 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