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505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Feb 24, 2025, 4:27 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > If a LLM had constant inputs from cameras, microphones, chemical sensors, > and sensiomotor feedback, and was continuously training and performing > inference, could it have free will? > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2025 1:08 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] free will > > > > Actually I don't care much about views or traffic. I don't think many > people read it except the ones from this list. But I like discussions about > interesting topics. I mentioned the blog post here because I wasn't sure if > I have (maybe unconsciously) stolen an idea from one of you. Humans often > forget where they have first seen or heard an idea. Daniel Dennett mentions > in his book "I've been thinking" that he was afraid of plagiarism (on page > 61-63) and describes it as the great academic sin. > > > > I believe LLMs work like humans in this respect: they are like money > laundering machines for copyrighted ideas who wash away the copyright. They > also tend to hallucinate, like we do in dreams at night. And they are > excellent in predicting the next word in a sentence (or action in a > sequence), similar to the motor cortex. They are in many ways similar to > us. It is fascinating and a little bit frightening what these LLMs and AIs > can do already today. > > > > To come back to the question of free will: I am not sure if free willed > actions are only those that are caused by conscious thoughts. I believe > conscious thoughts can be used to prevent actions that we do not want. The > first steps to a free will is to become aware of all the hidden influences > that try to control it. > > > > We have an "Influenceable will". When we become aware that our will is > influenced by ads or propaganda or some kind of marketing, we can take > steps to reduce this hidden influence for example by making the conscious > decision to stop doing what the ads ask for (for example stop buying > McDonald's Big Macs although the ads promise us happiness and joy if we do > it). > > > > -J. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > Date: 2/23/25 11:59 PM (GMT+01:00) > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>, > Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> > > Subject: free will > > > > > I put a comment Jochen's blog. Why dont we carry on over there and help > him generate traffic. I have attached here a couple of papers that support > the view that people are lousy predictors of their own behavior. If we > [and only if] we take free willed actions to be those that are caused by > conscious thoughts, then surely we must know what we are going to do before > we start to do it and be much better at making such predictions than are > the people around us. > > > > > > N > > > > > > -- > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology > > Clark University > > nthomp...@clarku.edu > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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