I looked at Pennsylvania by county today, I don't see anything suspicious. I'd say if it was hacked they would've had to have hacked all 5 brands of machine.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 11:00 AM _ Bruno W <wbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > @davew Wow! > Last night I made graphs for the 2020 vs 2024 red shift by county in > Michigan. The results were similar > for all 3 types of voting machines used in different counties (Dominion, > ES&S and Hart). > Two Dominion counties were outliers, Wayne for its red shift, Leelanau for > its 2% blue shift. > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:00 AM <friam-requ...@redfish.com> wrote: > >> Send Friam mailing list submissions to >> friam@redfish.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> friam-requ...@redfish.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> friam-ow...@redfish.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Election theft conspiracy theory (Prof David West) >> 2. Re: Election theft conspiracy theory (glen) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> >> To: friam@redfish.com >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:37:57 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Election theft conspiracy theory >> In the 1990s, I served on a "Blue Ribbon Committee" that was advising a >> consortium of Midwest states (WI, MN, IA, SD) reviewing responses to an RFP >> for voting machines. The most notable item in the RFP was a requirement for >> a mechanism that would allow the head election official to "correct" vote >> tallies when "necessary." The mechanism had to bypass the normal audit >> trail. All of the proposals included such a feature and 'security' was >> little more than a password. >> >> Of course, I never saw the code behind the machines that were eventually >> purchased, but I always suspected that a clever hacker could exploit that >> feature if, in fact, it was actually implemented. Because of that I have >> always given, "grain of salt" credibility to claims of voting machine-based >> fraud. >> >> davew >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2024, at 9:37 AM, glen wrote: >> > • I looked around a bit but couldn't find the code they say is easily >> > accessible on GitHub. Maybe I just missed it. >> > >> > • It's fine to suggest that having the software allows it to be >> > modified such that it could add a ballot. But we need the >> > update/install mechanism. Was it sideloaded or did it use a standard >> > update and the modification was included upstream? I'm too ignorant of >> > how the tabulation machines work to know how plausible such an attack >> > is. >> > >> > • Why fake bullet ballots? It seems like whatever templating software >> > is used, it would be just as easy to vote straight ticket. But maybe >> > there is some issue given state differences? Maybe it's easier to grep >> > for Trump than it is for Republican? Plus, there's all those >> > initiatives and non-partisan offices. >> > >> > The rest seems reasonable enough for Harris to file a challenge. I >> > would. Apparently the deadline in NC is tomorrow? >> > >> > On 11/20/24 14:30, _ Bruno W wrote: >> >> Anyone interested in double checking any of this or look at different >> statistics. >> >> I think it would be good to check that voter preference does correlate >> with voting machine vendor. >> >> I was able to get data from Michigan, have not looked beyond there yet. >> >> But the data will need to be reformatted to be useful... >> >> >> https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked >> > >> > -- >> > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ >> > >> > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. >> > / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > archives: 5/2017 thru present >> > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: glen <geprope...@gmail.com> >> To: friam@redfish.com >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 08:33:04 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Election theft conspiracy theory >> That's excellent! Thanks. Were I Harris, I'd still file (a) challenge(s). >> One of the reasons Trump is and has been "above the law" is because he >> knows we're a litigious society. It's normal. So all the cases are thrown >> out. If you don't play, you can't win. You don't have to be Trumpy in your >> extracurricular signaling, which is what causes the "... fail[ure] to >> consider political reasons for the loss and we will undermine confidence in >> future elections—and our democracy". Plus, filing the challenges in a >> dispassionate way signals *trust* in the institutions and methods, not >> distrust. >> >> On 11/21/24 08:01, Roger Frye wrote: >> > Towards the end of this article, Hubbell addresses the bullet ballot >> claim. He urges caution, debunks much, links to a video of Spoonamore's >> previous election rigging claims. Many other articles debunk the Starlink >> connection. >> > 72222aec-3d82-4853-a503-97a81f97d827_2992x1984.jpeg >> > Addressing claims that the 2024 election was "stolen" < >> https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election >> > >> > roberthubbell.substack.com < >> https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election >> > >> > >> > < >> https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Nov 21, 2024, at 8:37 AM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> • I looked around a bit but couldn't find the code they say is easily >> accessible on GitHub. Maybe I just missed it. >> >> >> >> • It's fine to suggest that having the software allows it to be >> modified such that it could add a ballot. But we need the update/install >> mechanism. Was it sideloaded or did it use a standard update and the >> modification was included upstream? I'm too ignorant of how the tabulation >> machines work to know how plausible such an attack is. >> >> >> >> • Why fake bullet ballots? It seems like whatever templating software >> is used, it would be just as easy to vote straight ticket. But maybe there >> is some issue given state differences? Maybe it's easier to grep for Trump >> than it is for Republican? Plus, there's all those initiatives and >> non-partisan offices. >> >> >> >> The rest seems reasonable enough for Harris to file a challenge. I >> would. Apparently the deadline in NC is tomorrow? >> >> >> >> On 11/20/24 14:30, _ Bruno W wrote: >> >>> Anyone interested in double checking any of this or look at different >> statistics. >> >>> I think it would be good to check that voter preference does >> correlate with voting machine vendor. >> >>> I was able to get data from Michigan, have not looked beyond there >> yet. >> >>> But the data will need to be reformatted to be useful... >> >>> >> https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked >> >> >> -- >> ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Friam mailing list >> Friam@redfish.com >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >
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