Vance has already spoken of high-risk pools. I thought that the [Harris] 
at-home elder health care under Medicare would be very attractive to people 50 
and over. I know those costs. They are unreal to people that have not 
confronted them. Now instead, we’ll go in the opposite direction and revoke 
pre-existing protection conditions. Might as well destroy the financial 
integrity of younger people too. 

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Santafe 
<desm...@santafe.edu>
Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 9:58 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die 

If they eliminate the ACA — and I don’t see anything now that keeps them from 
doing that, very quickly — I’m going to get clobbered. Not only episodically 
for myself, but full-time for others for whom I have responsibility. Not sure 
how long I can provide an umbrella against the U.S. medical system, at my 
current capacity. 


It’s unfortunate. They will likely suffer. But fairy tales seem to be the only 
places where sufferers learn anything. Learning is a much more complicated 
project, which takes some investment across the life-course. Works better in a 
stable environment. 



On Nov 6, 2024, at 10:18, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: 


Harris wasn’t a candidate of the left she was a moderate applying the technique 
of triangulation to get elected to keep our institutions from being abused and 
damaged by an inappropriate candidate. I’m not sure what else she could have 
done short of finding a way to push Biden out earlier. As for me, I’m not 
shedding any liberal tears. In a way I’m looking forward to how Trump will 
betray his voters and the suffering they will feel at his hands. They certainly 
deserve it. 

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 6:58 AM
To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die 

Just for reference, my antifa friends don't recognize any difference. Nothing's 
changed from yesterday to today. And while that may seem myopic, there's a lot 
of truth to it. Harris is fairly right-leaning with her record as a prosecutor 
in CA, position on fracking, failure to denounce the actions of Israel, etc. 
The local antifa has been active in things like blocking ports of entry 
(particularly for Boeing-related shipments and such). DDoSecrets has been 
steadily accumulating data from bad actors. Unicorn Riot consistently publishes 
about ongoing abuse of indigenous communities. Etc.

W.r.t. deeper changes, a break from status quo *liberalism* (the main boogeyman 
of the lefties), could be hastened by another Trump term. I see it as an 
opportunity for actual lefty strategists (as opposed to a warmed over righty 
like Harris) to design a [de|re]construction plan similar to Project 2025, but 
for sane people. Literally *any* of the tactics used by the Trump backers could 
be used by an organized effort from the left.

But the problem is that those with the real strategy skills aren't 
revolutionaries. As Eric lays out, they're too addicted to the institutional 
game to strategize around or to blast through institutions. That's what makes 
the tiny antifa efforts like blocking ports (for a tiny few hours) or breaking 
windows on main street seem so stupid and indulgent, like the temper tantrums 
of an undisciplined child.

And in this regard, I join both my antifa friends and my MAGA friends in 
scoffing at the liberal tears. If you actually want change, then buck up and 
make it happen. Politics is not a day job you leave at the office at 6pm. 
Granted, I'm a tourist in both of those groups - all groups, actually, and 
would be happier if Harris had won. But being a tourist allows me to say such 
things without too much hypocrisy.

On 11/6/24 02:55, Santafe wrote:
> A change that I think can happen, and I don’t know how fully it can change in 
> four years, which is the time to find out whether the whole electoral system 
> and federal judiciary can be completely rewired, is that Americans become a 
> lot more like Russians. Small, localized, and trying to hunker down and get 
> through one’s own little day and little life, and not be visible enough to 
> become a target for anything. Everything that is a problem and that needs to 
> change, is a problem because it brings together a lot of actors. To change, 
> it needs coordinated commitments. That’s what wasn’t great in the U.S. 
> already, but gets very very hard in an atomized society. I do expect the 
> bullying and belligerent behavior from the MAGA faction, which has already 
> been getting systematically worse over the past 9 years, to undergo a large 
> increase. Maybe by about the same factor as cannabis use increased when it 
> got legalized, and for sort of similar reasons. There will continue to be 
> people who don’t like it, as there are now, and as there are lots of Chinese 
> who still have global and humane views and don’t like the rise of 
> belligerence being driven in their society, but aren’t doing anything 
> effective against it.
> 

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