It seems to me a more reasonable selected-for functional unit would be brains' ability to 
focus. Whether one is finding generative rules for a high dimensional thing like 
"science", a Grand Unified Theory or encoding/embodying one's grievances into a 
mouthpiece like Trump, the common characteristic is focus or attention.

But a more precise refutation of your charismer pathology is given to us by Unpopulist 
<https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/why-populism-and-authoritarianism>, wherein they 
distinguish between popular uprisings versus populist movements. Both cases have a 
"charismer", a focal point or figurehead that encodes/embodies whatever high 
dimensional message that needs a name/sign. The mechanisms of action for such focusing have to 
implement both types.

So this doesn't look like atavism to me at all. It looks like the same 
functional component that's been selected for all this time, the ability to 
model some phenomenon and then encode that model in such a way that it's 
actionable. This would be true not only for the disaffected masses, but for the 
strategists leveraging their own ends through the charismer as a fulcrum, 
whether useful idiot or Great Man.

On 10/16/24 15:07, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Evolutionary Atavism

My so-called mind is still churning from our conversation about evolutionary 
atavism,  the idea that current behavioral systems may be ill-suited to 
contemporary circumstances.   As an evolutionary psychologist I should be for 
it; however, as a survivor of the instinct wars of the 1950’s, I should be 
against it.  Where am I?

   The problem with evolutionary atavism arises when people start attributing 
any necessity to it.  Natural selection would not be possible if organisms did 
not offer up structures and behaviors that are maladapted.  Evolution could not 
have occurred if organisms did not respond to these maladaptations with 
adaptive changes.  Evolution is a dynamic between change and stability and the 
interesting question is why some things change while others don’t, and why some 
changes occur more rapidly than others. Asserting that some things are the same 
as they were a million years ago because they didn’t happen to change is just 
silly.

Still, evolutionary atavism does play a role in my thinking.  Let’s work an 
example together and see what that role is and whether it is justified.  I 
listened with guilty pleasure to Obama’s address ridiculing MAGA thinking.  My 
pleasure was guilty because I thought his speech would make Trump more likely 
to win the election.    This conclusion arose from an evolutionary hypothesis 
about the origins of charisma.  The logic, such as it is, goes like this.

 1. *The modern human species arose 160kyrs ago from a very small number of 
small groups. *That the human species passed through a severe bottleneck at it 
inception is probably true; that it was composed of small group at that time is 
a plausible surmise.**
 2. *Those groups were engaged in intense competition at the bottleneck. *This 
statement is reasonable but not supported by any data I can think of. **
 3. *Therefore, they survived or failed as groups. *Again, merely plausible.**
 4. *Those /groups/ survived that were capable of rapid concerted action. *This 
is based on the idea that in emergencies it is most important for every to do 
some thing, rather than for them to wait and work out the best thing to 
do.**Barely plausible. Not even clear how one would go about researching it. **
 5. *Groups capable of shifting to an authoritarian organization in response to 
a perceived existential threat survived in greater numbers than those that 
didn’t.*
 6. *Humans, therefore, are inclined to put their faith in a single person when 
they perceive an existential threat. *Let’s call this the “Charismer Response”**
 7. *The person most likely to be selected for this role is apparently 
single-minded and decisive. *This gives us the characteristics of a 
*Charismer*, **
 8. *Charismees relinquish their capacity for independent rational thought in 
favor of the Charismer’s decision-making. *
 9. *Charismees receive benefits from the group in proportion to their 
demonstrations of surrender of rationality.*
10. *Charismees demostrate their surrender by the repetition of o  or more 
flagrantly irrational beliefs. (virgi birth, stole election ,  etc.)*
11. *Challenges to these beliefs only increase charismees allegiance to the 
group*
12. *Therefore, Obama should have kept his smarty-pants mouth shut. *

You all ca*n* evaluate the heuristic, rationality, a*n*d probability of this 
argument.  I am going to stop *n*ow because my keyboard has stopped reliably 
producing “*n’s” * ad is drivig me uts.  At best, I think evolutionary atavism 
is a source of plausible hypotheses about why organisms are not adapted to 
their current circumstances.  See some of you tomorrow.

Sicerely,

ick

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