Don't want to drag this out forever, but ... The immunity decision is extraordinarily dangerous precisely because it allows a President to break the law and to ignore traditional safeguards and then to claim immunity if charges are brought against him.
-- Russ Abbott Professor Emeritus, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 7:19 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, OK. It seems pretty clear that there are laws protecting citizens > (that don't protect non-citizens). Situations like arresting a citizen and > holding them for a very long time before charging them are the in-between > wiggle room. And we have things like opening investigations into them, etc. > And it would be pretty easy to "disappear" a nobody like me. I think it's > not so easy to disappear Trump. Anyway, there are some pretty hard > constraints like due process, posse comitatus, and such. The only way the > President could make an assassination of a citizen plausible is to deem > them an enemy of the state, revoke their citizenship, present some flimsy > justification for that revocation, etc. And even then, as long as they're > on US soil, (again, to be legitimate) you'd want to use the ATF, FBI, ICE, > or something, not the Navy or CIA. > > IDK. This scenario just feels like spy novel fantasy to me. It was a good > quip in the SCOTUS hearing. But there are too many holes in the mechanics > to do it with the appearance of legitimacy. (This says nothing of doing it > Nixon- or Hoover- style, of course.) > > I am kinda on pins and needles to see what Chutkan makes of some of this, > though. > > > On 7/16/24 19:34, Russ Abbott wrote: > > I think it's an official act if it involves the use of powers designated > by the Constitution as Presidential. As I understand the SCOTUS ruling, the > motivation for that use is not relevant. That's one of the things that's so > terrible about the immunity decision. Seal Team 6 and all that. > > > > -- Russ > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 11:17 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto: > geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > It's pretty hard for me to see how that would stand up in court. If > assassination of citizens, much less a fully cleared and daily int-briefed > President-elect, is ultimately ruled an "official" action, we've already > lost the Republic and committing the actual deed would be futile. No need > to worry about losing the Republic if the Republic is already lost. > > > > On 7/16/24 10:47, Russ Abbott wrote: > > > Why has no one pointed out the possibility that if Trump wins, > Biden could take advantage of his newly declared immunity and have him > assassinated? > > > > > > -- Russ > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 6:24 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto: > geprope...@gmail.com> <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com <mailto: > geprope...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Yeah. It's one thing to wish it or want it. It's another to > think more in Marcus' terms and come up with a more complex strategy not > involving stupid 20 year olds and no violence at all. I still hold out hope > for my own personal conspiracy theory. Biden becomes the nominee. After the > convention fades, the Admnistration announces Biden has gone to the > hospital for bone spur surgery. Kamala takes over temporarily and campaigns > furiously for Biden-Harris. Biden is re-elected. Biden recovers and gets > through the Oath (fingers crossed). Then he goes back to the hospital with > some minor thing like a dizzy spell. Kamala takes over again. Biden's > condition worsens. First Female President. Biden recovers and becomes > America's Grandpa. > > > > > > Come on Deep State. Make it happen. 8^D > > > > > > On 7/15/24 17:30, Russ Abbott wrote: > > > > I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of > us who, in response to the shooting, thought: better luck next time. > > > > On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > > >> It ignores the option of doing things quietly and > indirectly. > > > >> On 7/15/24 16:46, glen wrote: > > > >>> [Scott's] Prayer > > > >>> https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117 < > https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117> <https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117 < > https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117>> > > > >>> > > > >>> I'm currently surrounded by people who believe > intolerance is properly not tolerated. Scott's message, here, seems > extraordinary Christian, to me. (Real Christian, not the Christianism > displayed in things like megachurches and whatnot cf > https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/ < > https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/> < > https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/ < > https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/>>). This faith that "going > high" will, in the long run, win out, seems naive to me. The temptation to > "hoist the black flag and start slitting throats" isn't merely a > thresholded reaction, it's an intuitive grasp of the iterated prisoner's > dilemma, tit-for-tat style strategies, and Ashby's LoRV. But I'm open to > changing my mind on that. Maybe I'm just too low-brow? > > > >>> > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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