I’m beginning to see a design. Put underwater data centers in shallow-water sites off the coast of FLA that already hit 100F in the summer. Those are already going to be dead of anything, kind of like radioactive waste dump sites.
Those sites then become magnets for hurricanes, which can all be amplified to Category 5 in their late stages, no matter how they started out. Hurricanes are very efficient conveyors of heat from the ocean to the top of the atmosphere where it can radiate into space. This cooling mechanism will of course be episodic, but with enough frequency and strength, one could compute what the average transport would be, and the fluctuation statistics. If one is going to destroy the atmosphere to play computer games, at least make use of its mechanisms at their full scale. Eric > On Mar 28, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > It's not really my thing, but I noticed there were several very large > exhibits at Supercomputing 23 for cooling technology. Even immersive > cooling solutions. I think that could be improved a lot. Without > superconducting processors, I don't see how energy use can be dramatically > reduced though. For that there will just need to be new generation. Could > put these near large off short windfarms.. > > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.datacenterdynamics.com%2fen%2fnews%2fchina-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center%2f&c=E,1,iSe-Z5ZgjC33Rnu1MYasXsWIWRWbCCYpftTHj5V7qORdIAfNVrWjP6TwzQBm074VDw6l78KrK-KBcGJ3Aeumd6VItGlN5EzC4pQRlmvLxUnc&typo=1 > > I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a slow > coerced displacement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity > > Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected > (people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or adapt. > > In the Gaza kerfuffle, I've heard some describe coerced displacement as > "genocide". I guess the more reasonble term is ethnic cleansing. The settlers > seem mostly fine with their ethnic cleansing agenda. But, by analogy, how > would we describe the coercive adaptation put upon a region by a massive > water-sucking data center? Biology cleansing? If there really were an AI, > would they worry about the forced displacement caused by their silicon > incubators? ... or maybe "incubator" isn't a good word. How about "galls": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall Yeah, that might be a good analogy. The > machines are parasitic. They hijack the iDNA (information generators) of the > local biology to form galls within which they grow and thrive. > > On 3/28/24 07:51, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) >> and on renewable power generation near data centers. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen >> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM >> To: friam@redfish.com >> Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity >> >> >> As we frivolously replace meatspace conversation with obsequious chatbots, >> the world burns. >> >> The industry more damaging to the environment than airlines >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/ >> >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.asce.org%2fpublications-and-news%2fcivil-engineering-source%2fcivil-engineering-magazine%2fissues%2fmagazine-issue%2farticle%2f2024%2f03%2fengineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool&c=E,1,Sop2nf9konextrtG3oBpTvI1ElsYhv_yjv16MWdXBVdBf4OCMSw4K43uIqnWn6T_W3d-dhNfncnmO9IBhqM6MBS0s_mHbHI_G9Y8EEOy&typo=1 > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam&c=E,1,frSQj7JN0Q0exuyot1BV09pmXfVXvplWDG69C0Rs_BNmmYaQXOO9QIgQwHUXBwLCbWdEjWtx4zDLwr40LVk0YxBDntQAAXUMAtjb6_1w2PuJlsoX&typo=1 > to (un)subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,Hc1IEDjJxvY-dyPIuvQgwo_v9bL4o3YHjiaREpIpJWEP93OYLbqIK0dSnjs9zDK0Wr_kH35FTlTUBEVtAKWv1Ec8DNN5n-8_YGlKw-odVYR2ywqglyiT9QkpgA,,&typo=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,PK0Yn_OY8qI1PrXjPd7fY4JaRdZhGINKusDk6fPpfg07TIno5kgKYt4aqFZtgKz2-fXsNC3dpA2THEk1zq2oTSjPE5QPtHKVuDx6Krj4czQv_pwLLDHt4cgORUE,&typo=1 > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,wOl-OQxzXxMeMNtJO6LV6i6h4Nbq55sM-wA68GwE662ItjxHOtWmt0sEov74TOgQSX32kaLQRZJsaxPf1IO4PrwmpcGoVjazPQA-YYQ7L-3bjnCerQ,,&typo=1 > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam&c=E,1,BHV_am4q6m0hiQheqc0nwCEetaJfhwBk3eVOJbY813roAP7X2zJBTF-YMIKtNSaWUo8eoAO5sAGmkLqDCFxlQUSi2YRCFJtfmZ4tLG_r8PjIulFRdmNDSae_hmd6&typo=1 > to (un)subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,--NpNq195EjKr3KbjAaJW0Sco_k5uMFmRU1V5CZtppCLiTsTB2Is8Mu8oTWrh5qMReW-W9n3EhUgyLgGupYJGSWc7MaYsotRcHeHHwmFzaO2_D8RXg11Ig,,&typo=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,JkjP5GY5CoKbCM-n-AjFNPxORKzmmRiq9vjlmE9lrbzOzTGtinhH1rvJ2Lw210UqzbsRR2yiNup_eGrALpMdYzfjrm6wnTVMSZ5qu9wStgEeKfXPQNqrRQ,,&typo=1 > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,fDcK3bCqq83s2auD3OTfCsEBg2y_s__7idbtRlPKmUWFqKTimxviZOb452AKg4iGmm_mgyRoZJECcEvNDyhdjP4UxrMUS465y-UNm3rlwhIQ8g,,&typo=1 > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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