The social aspect is much more interesting than the biological one. Nobody can select their own genes, but we we can influence what kind of persons we want to become. Is there a quantum of the soul or the mind? Can we consider a smile, a kind word or kind action as a quantum of a beautiful soul? Or an egoistic action as a quantum of a plain, unattractive mind?-J. -------- Original message --------From: Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> Date: 10/17/21 18:55 (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity Marcus -> Who cares. The only reason I can think to care is that genetic variants of relevance to health depend on context."We all got to be the way we are somehow"... both genetically andsocially. That is the extent to which I care beyond thecurious/superficial.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 9:21 AM> To: friam@redfish.com> Subject: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity>> Barry wrote:>> The author Isabel Wilkerson wrote two books which I’ve read in the >> last year or two. The second one was “Caste, The Origins of our >> Discontents.” In it, she looks at castes in three countries: India, >> the US, and Germany. She notes the extent to which the Nazis, once >> they had control of the government and needed to write laws supporting >> their scourges, followed the template of the American south. At one >> point, on the matter of who was to be considered a Jew, they looked at >> the American definition of a negro as one having “a single African >> American anywhere in your family tree”. For the Nazis that was a >> bridge too far, so they stopped looking past the grandparents. The >> American criterion was more than they thought they could sell to the >> German people.>>>> The other book she wrote, “The Warmth of Other Suns” is a history of >> the Great Migration, the flight of six million from the south to the >> north in the US, was a real eye-opener for me. I had never understood >> how brutal Jim Crow was.> I took the plunge a few years ago for one of the ancestry DNA tests and was shocked but not surprised. In spite of the family stories/folk-geneology tracing my roots back to mostly germany/poland with a schosch of Scottish, the DNA test claimed 95% Scandinavian and 5% North African. Mary took the same test and got results much more aligned with her family story (Irish/English/Welsh). Her father who could pass for native (heavily tanned from outdoor work, very dark> hair/eyes) wanted to claim Native Ancestry but couldn't place it in a family tree (generations in Nebraska). Mary's test came back as "clean" as Elizabeth Warren's. >> My mother passed recently and with her passing I received a 3 drawer file-cabinet of the working papers she had from when she was tracing her geneology a few years ago. While her mother emigrated from Germany as a child around 1900 with a full Polish mother, and full German father, her father's nameline (Graham) went back to pre-revolutionary days *IN* Kentucky, my great great great therefore being a contemporary of Daniel Boone I suppose. That line mingled with that of a Scottish sea captain about 1800.>> The 95% Scandinavian isn't inconceivable from any portion of northern Europe. The 5% north African was an interesting surprise. The maps they offer up of "North Africa" leaves room for a wide range of ethnic origens with anything from Nubian to Arab to Moor to Berber to Harrarian. I don't know that it relieves my ancestors of having included slaveholding. My parents were both quite proud (for> Kentuckians) of being "damn Yankees" which might have been an element of "protest too much"? I don't know there is anything legitimate for me to feel proud or embarrassed about in my presumed 5% (less than a> quantum?) but I felt both in passing. My parents both considered themselves proud "mutts".>> A different genetic-marker database (different company, etc.) might well have given me different results. I don't think these things are as bogus as astrology or palm reading, but I suspect that in spite of their scientific roots, they are more about vanity or confirmation bias than anything. Throwing my DNA against a few different database walls and seeing what sticks might provide some parallax, but I'm not sure I care really.>> While I grew up thinking my parents were very progressive about racial/ethnic issues, by the time my sister was dating in earnest, they tried to call her off her first boyfriend whose family were Mexican (we lived on the border and his great grandparents had been born en-situ> *before* the area shifted from MX to US) and a later one whose father was African American and (deceased) mother was Phillipina. While they were gentle about it, I was shocked at the hypocrisy. By the time my father was retired, he was listening to Rush Limbaugh and my mother voted for Donald Trump in 2016 and probably 2020. I'm sure they voted> (near) straight-ticket Republican most of their lives. My sister and her husband lived/worked in Spain and Chile through their 50s and ended up not much less biased. Go figure.>> Anyone else do the genetic heritage testing thing? We know Sarbajit's status. Who can claim a quantum of Native American, Neanderthal or Ghengis Khan? 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