The fine-grained info is in the genome and epigenome. See page 11, for example. Compute the first few principal components..
https://biobank.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/crystal/crystal/docs/genotyping_qc.pdf -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 9:55 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity Marcus - > Who cares. The only reason I can think to care is that genetic variants of > relevance to health depend on context. "We all got to be the way we are somehow"... both genetically and socially. That is the extent to which I care beyond the curious/superficial. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 9:21 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity > > Barry wrote: >> The author Isabel Wilkerson wrote two books which I’ve read in the >> last year or two. The second one was “Caste, The Origins of our >> Discontents.” In it, she looks at castes in three countries: India, >> the US, and Germany. She notes the extent to which the Nazis, once >> they had control of the government and needed to write laws >> supporting their scourges, followed the template of the American >> south. At one point, on the matter of who was to be considered a Jew, >> they looked at the American definition of a negro as one having “a >> single African American anywhere in your family tree”. For the Nazis >> that was a bridge too far, so they stopped looking past the >> grandparents. The American criterion was more than they thought they >> could sell to the German people. >> >> The other book she wrote, “The Warmth of Other Suns” is a history of >> the Great Migration, the flight of six million from the south to the >> north in the US, was a real eye-opener for me. I had never understood >> how brutal Jim Crow was. > I took the plunge a few years ago for one of the ancestry DNA tests > and was shocked but not surprised. In spite of the family > stories/folk-geneology tracing my roots back to mostly germany/poland > with a schosch of Scottish, the DNA test claimed 95% Scandinavian and > 5% North African. Mary took the same test and got results much more > aligned with her family story (Irish/English/Welsh). Her father who > could pass for native (heavily tanned from outdoor work, very dark > hair/eyes) wanted to claim Native Ancestry but couldn't place it in a > family tree (generations in Nebraska). Mary's test came back as "clean" as > Elizabeth Warren's. > > My mother passed recently and with her passing I received a 3 drawer > file-cabinet of the working papers she had from when she was tracing her > geneology a few years ago. While her mother emigrated from Germany as a > child around 1900 with a full Polish mother, and full German father, her > father's nameline (Graham) went back to pre-revolutionary days *IN* Kentucky, > my great great great therefore being a contemporary of Daniel Boone I > suppose. That line mingled with that of a Scottish sea captain about 1800. > > The 95% Scandinavian isn't inconceivable from any portion of northern > Europe. The 5% north African was an interesting surprise. The maps > they offer up of "North Africa" leaves room for a wide range of ethnic > origens with anything from Nubian to Arab to Moor to Berber to > Harrarian. I don't know that it relieves my ancestors of having > included slaveholding. My parents were both quite proud (for > Kentuckians) of being "damn Yankees" which might have been an element > of "protest too much"? I don't know there is anything legitimate for > me to feel proud or embarrassed about in my presumed 5% (less than a > quantum?) but I felt both in passing. My parents both considered themselves > proud "mutts". > > A different genetic-marker database (different company, etc.) might well have > given me different results. I don't think these things are as bogus as > astrology or palm reading, but I suspect that in spite of their scientific > roots, they are more about vanity or confirmation bias than anything. > Throwing my DNA against a few different database walls and seeing what sticks > might provide some parallax, but I'm not sure I care really. > > While I grew up thinking my parents were very progressive about > racial/ethnic issues, by the time my sister was dating in earnest, > they tried to call her off her first boyfriend whose family were > Mexican (we lived on the border and his great grandparents had been > born en-situ > *before* the area shifted from MX to US) and a later one whose father > was African American and (deceased) mother was Phillipina. While > they were gentle about it, I was shocked at the hypocrisy. By the > time my father was retired, he was listening to Rush Limbaugh and my > mother voted for Donald Trump in 2016 and probably 2020. I'm sure > they voted > (near) straight-ticket Republican most of their lives. My sister and her > husband lived/worked in Spain and Chile through their 50s and ended up not > much less biased. Go figure. > > Anyone else do the genetic heritage testing thing? We know Sarbajit's > status. Who can claim a quantum of Native American, Neanderthal or Ghengis > Khan? 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