Ok. Iff so, there are no phenemona, just apparent phenomena. I'm ok with that. n
Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:10 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc I'm not talking about observations, or your observations. I'm talking about the classification of a phenomenon as secondary or non-causal. There are no secondary or non-causal phenomena. There are no epiphenomena, only apparent epiphenomena. On 9/16/21 7:54 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Glen, > > All observations are myopic. All observations are from a point of view. All > propositions are three-valued. So, what is this universal point of view from > which you hold my observations to be myopic? Eh? Even back on my meds I > can see that there is something wrong with that. > > n > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of ? glen > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:31 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > Both EricC's and Marcus' responses say what I'm about to say, but in > different language. > > There is no such thing as 'epiphenomena'. When you see something you *think* > is epi, it means you've imputed your preconceived function. It's myopic > preemptive registration. > > > > On September 15, 2021 8:24:49 PM PDT, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi, everyone [who is still following this thread]. >> >> >> >> Before I go back on my meds, I just thought I would send along this link >> <https://www.huffpost.com/entry/compass-pleasure_b_890342> . I should >> perhaps be embarrassed at sending a HuffPost link, but the summary of the >> old Olds/Milner research seems accurate enough and it is very succinct. On >> my account we have been talking all along about the epiphenomenal relation >> and in particular, that version of it which relates goals to functions. >> Functions are epiphenomenal with respect to the goals that serve them. The >> function of a pleasure (ie, a goal system) is to get us to do stuff that >> urgently needs doing. What happens when we access the goal system directly >> and make it possible to do essentially nothing and achieve the goal? Dave >> says, having learned what it had to teach him, he would put the device on a >> shelf. But how would he do that and WHY would he do that? What other >> goal-pleasure would be sufficient to mobilize and direct him in the putting >> of the device on the shelf. >> >> >> >> Ok. Best be done for a bit. Let’ see. One tablet a day by mouth. Sorry >> to bother you all. I do learn a lot from these exercises, even if nobody >> else does. And then later I write something good, and that pleases me. >> >> -- "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie." ☤>$ uǝlƃ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
