Glen, All observations are myopic. All observations are from a point of view. All propositions are three-valued. So, what is this universal point of view from which you hold my observations to be myopic? Eh? Even back on my meds I can see that there is something wrong with that.
n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of ? glen Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:31 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc Both EricC's and Marcus' responses say what I'm about to say, but in different language. There is no such thing as 'epiphenomena'. When you see something you *think* is epi, it means you've imputed your preconceived function. It's myopic preemptive registration. On September 15, 2021 8:24:49 PM PDT, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >Hi, everyone [who is still following this thread]. > > > >Before I go back on my meds, I just thought I would send along this link ><https://www.huffpost.com/entry/compass-pleasure_b_890342> . I should perhaps >be embarrassed at sending a HuffPost link, but the summary of the old >Olds/Milner research seems accurate enough and it is very succinct. On my >account we have been talking all along about the epiphenomenal relation and in >particular, that version of it which relates goals to functions. Functions >are epiphenomenal with respect to the goals that serve them. The function of >a pleasure (ie, a goal system) is to get us to do stuff that urgently needs >doing. What happens when we access the goal system directly and make it >possible to do essentially nothing and achieve the goal? Dave says, having >learned what it had to teach him, he would put the device on a shelf. But how >would he do that and WHY would he do that? What other goal-pleasure would be >sufficient to mobilize and direct him in the putting of the device on the >shelf. > > > >Ok. Best be done for a bit. Let’ see. One tablet a day by mouth. Sorry to >bother you all. I do learn a lot from these exercises, even if nobody else >does. And then later I write something good, and that pleases me. > > -- glen ⛧ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
