My daughter, now 29, had an iPad when she was a young adolescent. I asked her once how many songs were on it. She said there were 8000. My understanding was that they should cost 99 cents each. I asked how she got so many. She says each kid copies all the songs on all their friends' iPads. There must have been a way to avoid duplication. I told her I hoped she didn't go to jail. Someone told me that the music companies liked this because it made their recordings popular. Hard to believe.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:47 PM Curt McNamara <curt...@gmail.com> wrote: > The streaming services are basically ripping the artists off. > https://freeyourmusic.com/blog/how-much-does-spotify-pay-per-stream > > As others have noted, live shows, merch and CDs are the only way artists > make money anymore. > > So yeah the streaming is 'good' for consumers ... > > Curt > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 2:42 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> He *hates* Alexa, Amazon, and especially Amazon Music. >> >> >> What is there to hate? They just play music you request. >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 12:47 PM Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: >> >>> On 8/22/21 8:28 AM, ⛧ glen wrote: >>> >>> It does both, perhaps counterintuitively. I'd argue it facilitates traffic >>> between demes/cliques, but inhibits the content of demes/cliques. >>> >>> >>> I am a sucker for local AM radio when traveling... to put my finger on >>> the pulse of the locals, as it were. What music they listen to, what their >>> news-of-choice leans toward, and what they are buying/selling/trading with >>> one another. "If you can hear this station, what you hear *might* be >>> relevant to you *right now*" >>> >>> When internet radio stations started popping up (KTAO in Taos being an >>> early adopter), I found myself sampling these local stations around the >>> world... one in particular being in Australia (forget the call sign/town) >>> and having a strong familiarity to the myriad country AND western stations >>> up and down the rockies and out into the plains of the US West, but with an >>> Aussie accented DJ of course. Unfortunately it didn't replicate the >>> experience because I was patently NOT there... I could NOT plan a detour to >>> catch the local farmer's market or check out a local joint (where there >>> burgers would have pineapple and plum sauce instead of pickles and >>> ketchup)... But what I was most struck by was that they were playing 95% >>> American Mainstream (C&W) music and referencing OUR icons of music >>> deeply/exclusively. Only occasionally would I catch a "local" artist >>> (Australeonesia?) I felt simultaneously expanded and constrained. >>> >>> When I moved to a small city/big town on the border (DouglasAZ/Agua >>> Prieta SA) our first neighbors were a Mexican American family who were one >>> of the local bands that played every venue, mostly rock but with their own >>> ranchera stylization often. They would sit around evenings playing a wide >>> range of music, including the father, a sister and a younger brother (maybe >>> 5? too young to participate in the public events). We moved away from >>> that house within 6 months but I continued to hear them the whole 8 years I >>> lived in that town, they probably played at both of my proms and any other >>> public musical event I might have attended. What never crossed my mind >>> (until now) was that for the 4 years I was a Disc Jockey, I never heard >>> them play on air, nor was I motivated/inclined to seek them out. Why not? >>> Linda Ronstadt (100 miles away) was hitting it big from similar roots, why >>> not them? I guess because they weren't on the Billboard Top 100 charts >>> they sent us every month, telling us what was hot and what was not? They >>> had no route to get known beyond the local bars and public venues. >>> >>> Both of my daughters partnered with aspiring musicians as they came of >>> age. There have been several bands involved and those partners even >>> occasionally found time to make music together (though never recorded >>> together). These bands never made it beyond local recognition... "Billy >>> and the Belmonts", "Oktober People", "Weapons of Mass Destruction" all come >>> to mind. And yet one of them was going on a self-promoted tour of the >>> west when we were in Berkeley, CA for a year and in fact, totally by >>> coincidence, had gotten booked at an Irish Pub ("Starry Plough") just a >>> short walk from our apartment (actually probably the closest watering hole >>> to our apartment). It was just off Telegraph, right on the Oakland border >>> (as was our back fence)... in what other world (pre/sans Internet) could a >>> band like that find a pub like that? While Terry (daughter's now husband) >>> had the resources (as a Technical College instructor) to own a van, mix >>> their own music on Garage Band, cut their own CDs and print their own >>> T-shirts (aka Merch)... They would have been sleeping in his van the whole >>> way (instead of being gifted couch-stays by their nascent mySpace fan base) >>> and would have had to make a LOT of phone calls and snail-mail inquiries to >>> secure the venues they were able to do online through the digital social >>> networks circa 2005. Their music was out there for sampling on MySpace >>> and while all that (the bands as well as MySpace) are all defunct and >>> rotting away in digital history, it made it a lot further than I think it >>> could have in the days of vinyl or cassette tape. I do still have CDs of >>> their music and it is ripped to my hard drive as well... but can't find any >>> of it to speak of online 8 years after dissolution. My t-shirts are all >>> rags now, they were made on budget blanks I'm sure. >>> >>> Terry (of WMD/Belmont fame) is now the bass player for Queen Chief in >>> Portland OR. Their preferred streaming platform seems to be >>> bandcamp.com which seems to be *trying* to provide a direct route from >>> artist to audience, but unspurprisingly Alexa doesn't support Bandcamp and >>> while they also stream on Spotify, my understanding of that service is that >>> they won't see any significant income from that stream. I don't believe >>> any of the band members depends on the band for a significant source of >>> income, Terry certainly doesn't, though it may support his >>> recording/instrument collecting habits somewhat. >>> >>> They just released a couple of singles this year. A stoner rock >>> rendition of Hank William's classic "Kaw-Liga >>> <https://open.spotify.com/album/2U88jwoi9ZKRHjTgG1YIDu>" and their own In >>> my Eyes <https://open.spotify.com/album/1oaVT5IS8jIm6xpJ2RlH2o>. >>> >>> Spotify refers me right away to bands (I presume equally >>> struggling/indie) like King Black Acid, Royal Fuz, RZRS, and Hurriah. >>> While I like QC's lyrics and musical "style" it is all too high energy for >>> my old ears/soul, so I tend to listen to a new track or album a few times >>> when it comes out, but don't have it ripped to my car sound system nor pull >>> it up regularly (though In my Eyes is thumping/chanting away in the >>> background as I type this)... >>> >>> Mary's son (who edits bills for the TX legislature by day) is also a >>> drummer in an indie band in Austin and they eschew streaming in favor of >>> the (semi) classic medium of CDs and live-shows. They gently dissolved >>> last year after a 10 year run... the quarterly live-shows in various >>> dive-bars were what was keeping them going (emotionally/creatively?)... >>> and they also have all hit middle age. >>> >>> Digital/Online/Streaming has definitely changed the fitness landscape >>> for aspiring independent artists and for music buffs. Mary's son is a >>> total movie/music buff and shares his listening time between classic vinyl >>> and the flood of new music coming to him over his own social networks from >>> friends of friends of friends who are independent singer-songwriters/bands. >>> >>> I like Glen's gesture toward analyzing this in terms of network/graph >>> models... I think the data is out there for anyone to gather/study up to a >>> point. Josh's (Mary's son) collection of vinyl and hand-cut CDs probably >>> is hidden for the most part from any database, though he *might* not be >>> astute enough to turn off Google/Android's "what music is playing right >>> now" service... maybe what he listens to is being analyzed on some Google >>> Brat's Friday Project right now? He *hates* Alexa, Amazon, and especially >>> Amazon Music. >>> >>> It's a wild new world, even though everything feels pretty much the same >>> (only different). >>> >>> - Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On August 22, 2021 6:51:02 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> >>> <j...@cas-group.net> wrote: >>> >>> In the last virtual FRIAM meeting Jonathan Zingale mentioned that streaming >>> services confine our access to music, because they mainly offer mainstream >>> music.IMHO they also broaden our access to music: as a European I can >>> listen to music from all around the world. I have for example German, >>> Italian, Australian, British, American and Spanish playlists on Spotify. >>> This weak I have listened for instance to a Spanish >>> songhttps://open.spotify.com/track/1MdsletWuIR9ItEnitWRwp?si=yZPJfu01R_6RAmw9ang8mQDo >>> you feel streaming services restrict our access to music or do they extend >>> it? :-/-J. >>> >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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