Nick writes: > But some assertions are bat-shit crazy, and provably so Knowing some of the background where Merle is coming from: Rights of Nature, Ecocide Law, etc <https://medium.com/@pella.thiel/time-for-a-universal-declaration-on-the-rights-of-nature-ad97263a39f4>, it just may be our current Economic and Scientific paradigms (Evolution/Competition/Captalism) in Science are literally driving us batshit crazy.
Provably batshit crazy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Islands_Act BTW, I got to the Guano_islands_Act starting from a google search of "metabolic sovereignty" * as I thought it might get at Merle's idea scientificially. This quickly got me to Marx's metabolic Rift <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_rift> from which the Guano Islands Act popped up. -Stephen * I'm supposed to be writing a paper today that has something to do with self-sovereign identity in decentralized systems which is why sovereignty is on my mind. _______________________________________________________________________ [email protected] <[email protected]> CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 twitter: @simtable z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:39 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > I think I disagree, Merle. If we lose faith that there is a truth to be > found concerning the matters of which we speak *as scientists*, we lose > everything. When we speak as poets, etc., of course, we relax that > constraint. But what defines science for me is that there are truths to be > found. I am pretty sure Glen also disagrees with me, and DaveW and maybe > Kim, so you are in good company. If anything characterizes the assault on > society of the last 4 years, it is the undermining of faith in the notion > of convergent inquiry. The first domino to fall was anthropology, in the > sixties, which led to a mayhem of political correctness and purges that > destroyed the field. Sure we have to respect people equally. Sure we have > to treat their metaphysical non-sense on a par with our own. But some > assertions are bat-shit crazy, and provably so, and if you entertain the > notion that all assertions are equally true, you might just as well drink > the kool-aid and climb the ramp into the space ship, so far as I am > concerned. I will wave you a sad good bye because we everybody’s > shoulders to the truth-wheel if we are to survive. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2020 1:15 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] where are the "patriot hackers"? > > > > "True" things about the world beyond the reach of science must be included > in the expanding dialogue, like a mountain that is also an earth being, or > forest animals that are spirit masters of their worlds. We can think of > them as other-than-humans, but they "exist" in indigenous cultures. They > are only "beliefs" in ours, but for those of us who are "Animists", they > are always present in the dialogue. > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 9:40 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[email protected]> wrote: > > So, I'm once again down in a rabbit hole over whether Dave's (cautiously > backed by Kim) idea of a "science of the mind" is reasonable, wherein > subjective/reflective techniques like psychedelic drugs or meditation can > say "true" things about the world, particularly that may be beyond the > reach of science. And there I am reading about Falun Gong < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong> and its "outlets" like The > Epoch Times, which spew constant nonsense, feeding the delusional QAnon > narratives: > > > https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-newest-trump-boosted-viral-maga-star-has-ties-to-the-epoch-times > > And I'm wondering, where are the "patriot hackers" and Anonymous? > > What happened to all that rigmarole about protecting the world and the > internet from insidious sh¡t like The Epoch Times? Is it that ostensibly > white hat members are combating shallow techniques like DDoS so well that > the script kiddies who used to claim to be Anonymous are outmatched? Maybe > Assange siding with Trump fractured the group? And what about the Jester < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jester_(hacktivist)>, who was arguably > more capable than the large majority of hacktivists? Was he hired by the > NSA and now works alone in a steel cage? Or has his mind been infected by > the attractive conspiracy theories and persecution complexes we dorks are > so susceptible to? > > I feel confident that some of you have some insight! 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