By the way I'm really oversimplifying here. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 12:00 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > If you feel angry at them while not understanding that it's because > they're similar to you then you will feel ambivalent about your anger. If > they're not similar to you you probably won't feel anger > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 11:55 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Frank wrote >> >> >> >> and feel angry at them >> >> >> >> But you are always *free* to feel angry at them. The question is, “What >> is that doing for you? Why bother? And why do you NOT feel free to be >> angry, any time you want? And does “feeling free to be angry” have >> anything to do with “being angry”? Who knows what evil lurks in the >> depths of the human heart? The Shadow Knows. >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:47 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump >> >> >> >> After you are in touch with the empathy and understand it, feel free to >> reject the Trumpers and feel angry at them. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:42 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If anybody understands what Glen is saying, please explain it to me. I >> feel he has tried hard enough. I sympathise with his frustration, and am >> taking action. >> >> (Private Message : Sorry, Jon I lied. ) >> >> N >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Clark University >> [email protected] >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:20 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump >> >> There's so much that's so wrong I can't let it go uncommented. Everything >> you say (in almost every post) seems to factor out *time*. When you say "As >> commands to the self, [anger, hate, contempt, etc.] make no sense what so >> ever", you're speaking as if the Nick of 20 years ago is the exact >> identical Nick as the present Nick, which is so wrong as to be laughable. >> >> Your ill-expressed point is that the empathy/sympathy emotions for Trump >> supporters are not under your intentional control. And you seem to be >> saying that those of us who claim we shouldn't "spare" any empathy/sympathy >> are either in denial or self-blinding or somesuch. Again, that ignores >> *time*. Sure, I feel empathy for some of them, someTIMES. But I don't for >> others of them, at other times. >> >> If you've ever extracted yourself from an abusive relationship, you >> should understand this episodic concept. If you have never had such a >> relationship, then you are the luckiest person I've ever met. The longer >> the idiocy goes on, the less empathy I feel, the fewer episodes of empathy >> I experience. The abuser only has so much time to change his ways before I >> explode and murder him in his sleep, my tears of sympathy mixing with his >> blood. >> >> Maybe the additional premise is that there is such a thing as time and >> evolution? It's weird that someone who talks about things like MOTH would >> fail to understand that, though. >> >> On 11/12/20 9:57 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> > Ok, but, let’s look at that impulse. Is it the impulse to sympathize? >> > Why is that so scary? Sympathy is informative, not paralyzing. Can >> one not feel sympathy for the rabid dog just exactly at the moment one >> kills it? Somebody ran over a cat in our yard, once, crushed it’s >> hindquarters. I felt tremendous sympathy for the cat, /and so I killed it. >> / For sympathy to be paralyzing, there has to be one more premise, and I >> cannot identify that additional premise. Anger, hate, contempt, etc., are >> assertions of an ought. Oughts only work in the context of trying to >> incite others to a common action. As commands to the self, they make no >> sense what so ever. So, unless you are standing in front of crowd, trying >> to get them to lynch somebody, these emotions are self-blinding. Now, I >> suppose, self-blinding is useful, when you just don’t want to fuck with >> subtleties of life, but nothing about them can be claimed as rational. >> Right? What is the additional premise that turns my empathy into something >> I should not feel. >> >> -- >> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Frank Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505 670-9918 >> >> >> >> Research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >
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