After you are in touch with the empathy and understand it, feel free to reject the Trumpers and feel angry at them.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:42 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > If anybody understands what Glen is saying, please explain it to me. I > feel he has tried hard enough. I sympathise with his frustration, and am > taking action. > > (Private Message : Sorry, Jon I lied. ) > > N > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump > > There's so much that's so wrong I can't let it go uncommented. Everything > you say (in almost every post) seems to factor out *time*. When you say "As > commands to the self, [anger, hate, contempt, etc.] make no sense what so > ever", you're speaking as if the Nick of 20 years ago is the exact > identical Nick as the present Nick, which is so wrong as to be laughable. > > Your ill-expressed point is that the empathy/sympathy emotions for Trump > supporters are not under your intentional control. And you seem to be > saying that those of us who claim we shouldn't "spare" any empathy/sympathy > are either in denial or self-blinding or somesuch. Again, that ignores > *time*. Sure, I feel empathy for some of them, someTIMES. But I don't for > others of them, at other times. > > If you've ever extracted yourself from an abusive relationship, you should > understand this episodic concept. If you have never had such a > relationship, then you are the luckiest person I've ever met. The longer > the idiocy goes on, the less empathy I feel, the fewer episodes of empathy > I experience. The abuser only has so much time to change his ways before I > explode and murder him in his sleep, my tears of sympathy mixing with his > blood. > > Maybe the additional premise is that there is such a thing as time and > evolution? It's weird that someone who talks about things like MOTH would > fail to understand that, though. > > On 11/12/20 9:57 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Ok, but, let’s look at that impulse. Is it the impulse to sympathize? > > Why is that so scary? Sympathy is informative, not paralyzing. Can one > not feel sympathy for the rabid dog just exactly at the moment one kills > it? Somebody ran over a cat in our yard, once, crushed it’s hindquarters. > I felt tremendous sympathy for the cat, /and so I killed it. / For sympathy > to be paralyzing, there has to be one more premise, and I cannot identify > that additional premise. Anger, hate, contempt, etc., are assertions of an > ought. Oughts only work in the context of trying to incite others to a > common action. As commands to the self, they make no sense what so ever. > So, unless you are standing in front of crowd, trying to get them to lynch > somebody, these emotions are self-blinding. Now, I suppose, self-blinding > is useful, when you just don’t want to fuck with subtleties of life, but > nothing about them can be claimed as rational. Right? What is the > additional premise that turns my empathy into something I should not feel. > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
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