Well, personally, I love the bending. My endnote was an attempt to demonstrate 
a) how the negative-positive freedom limiting rhetoric is supposed to work and 
b) that it's amenable to ridiculous extremism. That y'all bent it off into a 
discussion of types of sushi and seafood as a whole further demonstrates how 
ridiculous the rhetoric is. I.e. I completely disagree with Dave that the Dems 
(or liberals) do, try, or intend to limit freedom. The whole negative freedom 
concept is fraught ... maybe the whole concept of freedom (or liberty) is 
fraught. To me, a better (more useful) dichotomy is deontological vs. 
consequential ethics. It seems like conservatives lean deontological and 
liberals lean consequential. But I'm no ethicist.

To be clear, I regularly eat sushi [⛧]. My 9mm magazine is loaded with hollow 
points, but only 10 rounds. It's locked up in the closet and I never carry it 
around with me. Am I liberal or conservative? >8^D


[⛧] Do I *like* sushi? No. But I don't actually like any food except when I'm 
stoned. I eat whatever is put in front of me. I once felt like I disliked beets 
more than I disliked, say, steak. So I went on a bender where every time I saw 
a beet dish on the menu, I ordered it. I still don't like beets. I eat mostly 
salad. I hate salad. It's messy, hard to get the forkfulls into your mouth, too 
much/little dressing, yaddayadda. Who cares? Now, the *beer*! That matters.

On 8/24/20 1:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Ok guys.  Keep my name out of this fishy thread. 
> 
> Geez.  If this ain't the mother of bent threads.  Where is Owen, the Thread
> Cop, when we need him?  

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