I knew one person that died in a car accident. I know one person who was shot but survived. I know of people that have killed themselves, but not personally. I know of one person in a nursing home that died from COVID-19. It took many years for me to learn of the former cases, but less than a year to learn of the COVID-19 death.
But I know a number of people that have some combination of risk factors: impaired endothelial function (e.g. hypertension), older than 56, who have lived with polluted air for many years, are packed tightly with neighbors in an apartment building, who are overweight, who don’t or can’t exercise, and who have cancer or diabetes. Bring the virus to individuals with most of these factors, and they have a good chance of dying. From: Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:17 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily. The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628 In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY -J. -------- Original message -------- From: Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson >I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody >who has had the disease. One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30. On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: David, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> works just fine or [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever. It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way. So let's plan to meet "on the other side.". You take care! Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson Nick, Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2. davew - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918
- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
