Putting on my determinist hat (which I usually wear), I would say that the event of the neighbor passing by your study was pre-determined by the forces established at the instant of the Big Bang. As is everything else.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 4:59 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Is the question whether it was "pre-determined?" Or is the question whether > it was predetermined by Charles?? I have a neighbor who passes my study > window every afternoon at 4pm with his very floppy cocker spaniel. Is that > event predetermined by the dog (who begs to go out at 3.30), by Scott (who > welcomes the distraction), by the clock (which he checks to keep the dog > honest), or .... > > I know this because I used to set out for coffee every afternoon at that > time, and we would often meet on my doorstep and walk together a few paces > down the street. Because of COVID I don't do that any more. Did COVID > determine my change of behavior? Or did I make a FREE choice. > > I think the freedom of free will is just an ideological matter. Each of us > is supposed to be a master of our behavior and circumstances. Indeed, in > some jurisdictions, you can be popped in the loony-bin for not being so. > In > which case, I think, the loony bin is where we all belong. Or perhaps > are? > > Anyway, Glen will accuse me of strawmanning again. Forgive me. I have > been > tortured by dualists all my life, and now I am visiting my revengte on all > of you. > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jon Zingale > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response > > An attempt to steelman via wingman: > > The idea that Glen is proposing is to highlight a sweet spot in one's > experience where unfamiliarity competes with habit. Glen advocates for > bracketing questions of a prime mover or that which happens in pathological > limits. Instead, he wishes to constrain the scope of free will to a > question > of free versus bound with respect to some arbitrary > component/scale/neighborhood (the free will zone). I will try not to fight > this as I still think of this interpretation of *free will* as being a > discussion of will, determined or not. For instance, I may be willful and > determined. > The value > I see in Glen's perspective is that we can develop a grammar for discussing > deliberate action, perhaps involving a Bayesian update rule to an otherwise > evaporative memory or local foresight. He is advocating to not concern > ourselves with whether or not Charles Bukowski was *predestined* to be a > drunk, but rather with determining where the *choice* to do otherwise may > have been. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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