Didn't you get the names interchanged? I thought Nick was the one who thought that the only thing you can know about an individual is his/her observable behavior.
Frank ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 4:48 PM Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > So, you are late meeting the train to Albuquerque. As you drive into the > station, you see a train sitting at the platform, absolutely motionless. > You rush up to the conductor and demand to know, “Is this train going to > Albuquerque?” “No!” the Frank, conductor replies. As you can plainly see, > it is sitting here not going anywhere.” Confused, you rush down to the > other end of the car where there is another conductor, Nick and you ask the > same question. “Yes,” Nick replies. “Given what this train has been doing > all day and how it is standing in the station, and the time of day, there > is every reason to believe that this train is going to Albuquerque. C’mon > aboard!” “Shouldn’t I ask the engineer first?” you ask. “Well, you > might. He has a lot of experience with this train. But the answer is so > obvious that he might pull your leg, and you’ld miss the train. Are you > getting on, or not?. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank > Wimberly > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:59 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation > > > > Straw man: > > > > Nick: People don't think, they only behave. > > > > Frank: You reached that conclusion by thinking. > > > > Nick: You presume to have observed my reaching the conclusion. > > > > Frank: I am certain your mind works like mine. > > > > Nick: How could you know that? You are a Cartesian. > > > > Frank: And proud of it. > > > > Nick: People don't feel; they infer their feelings from their behavior. > They recognize hunger from eating or food seeking behavior. > > > > Frank: I know I'm hungry from feeling hungry. I could feel hungry while > totally still, with no observable behavior. > > > > Nick: No because... > > > > Etc., etc.... > > > > No resolution to date. > > > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My scientific publications: > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:17 PM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > > We love our "flocking" models but FRIAM is less of a 'birds-of-a-feather' > group than something much harder to similize. It feels to me that some of > our conversations are a bit flocky or schooly (rarely herdy) but others are > more geophysical like flares or eruptions... a good schoolyard "pileon" > occasionally happens as well... and then there are... as we are now > contemplating, the long dark-tea-times of our collective-soul. > > On 9/12/19 10:04 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > > FRIAM is such a strange beast. At times full of philosophical > discourse that flies far above my head, other times full of > irreverent inanities that defy categorization, and occasionally even with > something to do with complexity. And then the periodic deafening silence > that makes me realize just how much I would miss it if it were to go away. > Long live FRIAM. > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:45 AM Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > Frank, Dave, > > > > Well I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been paying close > attention, but … > > > > I just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing from FRIAM from 24 > August on. > > > > I have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like the wine pourer at > a classical “symposium”, more or less watering the wine to maintain the > flow and quality of the conversation. He won’t admit to it of course, but > every once in a while He “shuts me off” from friam when He thinks I have > become too … agitated? I assume He is also gently modulating your > contributions in the same way, as a beneficent god should. I don’t know > how He gets the time to do it, but nothing else could possibly explain the > fact that sometimes our emails just go missing for a while. So, I didn’t > get alarmed when I stopped receiving FRIAM correspondence in late August. > I just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was giving me a rest. > > > > Thank you APF-O. We love you and worship you. > > > > Nick > > > > Ps. Let me know if you don’t get this message. (};-\) > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank > Wimberly > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation > > > > Dave, > > > > The Friam list remains as you can see but is sort of a trickle. I posted > a couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview and something I can't > remember but they weren't up to the high intellectual standard which > engages you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et al. Glen did comment insightfully. > Nick will be back in Santa Fe soon; maybe the change in location will > stimulate him. > > > > Frank > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My scientific publications: > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> > wrote: > > Hello All, > > Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my > reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not > in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not > making it across the Atlantic.? > > Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book, > The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by > Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis > is that what we perceive is but a constructed, via evolution, "interface" > and not a veridical perception of "Reality." > > Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones that > see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is > interesting. > > Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer, and > even some Peirce, and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,: > "interpretation," and "experience." Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism > convictions might be illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition. > > dave west > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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