Straw man: Nick: People don't think, they only behave.
Frank: You reached that conclusion by thinking. Nick: You presume to have observed my reaching the conclusion. Frank: I am certain your mind works like mine. Nick: How could you know that? You are a Cartesian. Frank: And proud of it. Nick: People don't feel; they infer their feelings from their behavior. They recognize hunger from eating or food seeking behavior. Frank: I know I'm hungry from feeling hungry. I could feel hungry while totally still, with no observable behavior. Nick: No because... Etc., etc.... No resolution to date. ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:17 PM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > We love our "flocking" models but FRIAM is less of a 'birds-of-a-feather' > group than something much harder to similize. It feels to me that some of > our conversations are a bit flocky or schooly (rarely herdy) but others are > more geophysical like flares or eruptions... a good schoolyard "pileon" > occasionally happens as well... and then there are... as we are now > contemplating, the long dark-tea-times of our collective-soul. > On 9/12/19 10:04 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > > FRIAM is such a strange beast. At times full of philosophical > discourse that flies far above my head, other times full of > irreverent inanities that defy categorization, and occasionally even with > something to do with complexity. And then the periodic deafening silence > that makes me realize just how much I would miss it if it were to go away. > Long live FRIAM. > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:45 AM Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >> Frank, Dave, >> >> >> >> Well I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been paying close >> attention, but … >> >> >> >> I just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing from FRIAM from 24 >> August on. >> >> >> >> I have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like the wine pourer at >> a classical “symposium”, more or less watering the wine to maintain the >> flow and quality of the conversation. He won’t admit to it of course, but >> every once in a while He “shuts me off” from friam when He thinks I have >> become too … agitated? I assume He is also gently modulating your >> contributions in the same way, as a beneficent god should. I don’t know >> how He gets the time to do it, but nothing else could possibly explain the >> fact that sometimes our emails just go missing for a while. So, I didn’t >> get alarmed when I stopped receiving FRIAM correspondence in late August. >> I just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was giving me a rest. >> >> >> >> Thank you APF-O. We love you and worship you. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Ps. Let me know if you don’t get this message. (};-\) >> >> >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank >> Wimberly >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation >> >> >> >> Dave, >> >> >> >> The Friam list remains as you can see but is sort of a trickle. I posted >> a couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview and something I can't >> remember but they weren't up to the high intellectual standard which >> engages you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et al. Glen did comment insightfully. >> Nick will be back in Santa Fe soon; maybe the change in location will >> stimulate him. >> >> >> >> Frank >> >> ----------------------------------- >> Frank Wimberly >> >> My memoir: >> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly >> >> My scientific publications: >> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 >> >> Phone (505) 670-9918 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> >> wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my >> reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not >> in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not >> making it across the Atlantic.? >> >> Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book, >> The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by >> Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis >> is that what we perceive is but a constructed, via evolution, "interface" >> and not a veridical perception of "Reality." >> >> Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones that >> see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is >> interesting. >> >> Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer, >> and even some Peirce, and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,: >> "interpretation," and "experience." Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism >> convictions might be illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition. >> >> dave west >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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