There are more people that catch fly balls than develop theories of physical information. I don't believe a well-funded liberal culture will change that. Maybe in a hundred or a thousand years if we are a reconfigurable species, a large part of the population will spend their days experiencing and manipulating physical phenomenon as first class thing using an extended nervous system. But as it is, the inputs are from a narrow range of temperatures & pressures and a tiny window of electromagnetic radiation. And cognitively, the short term workspace of a human is small and slow compared to even a simple computer.
On 4/30/19, 5:08 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <friam-boun...@redfish.com on behalf of geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: You're trolling me, aren't you? 8^) I can't help myself, though. It's not an exclusive or you've laid out. Some of us will have fast memory that works well in common sense space and time. Some of us will have DSPs that work well in other conceptions (I'm thinking of Hawking, here). Etc. And while it's plausible that we stumble on innovative models (ways to think) that no human or animal could ever have had the means for programming their DSP, *eventually* [†] some clique of the population will develop DSPs for that way of thinking. I'm blind to the stumbling block you see, I guess. [†] Assuming we don't kill ourselves, of course. On 4/30/19 3:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Either spacetime works in a surprising way and commonsense intuition is just wrong -- to cling to a familiar way of knowing amounts to taking the blue pill -- settling for crude satisficing heuristics to muddle through as a bag-of-water in what appears to be a 3D space. Or we are totally driven and our experiments are fate. In one case humans can't engage their special-purpose DSPs (so to speak) and fast thinking is useless -- we aren't equipped to function efficiently in that alien world. In the latter case, it just doesn't matter what we calculate. I think the potential for cognitive dissonance here is pretty clear. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove