Sssh Ed you're making sense :P. I'm stuck on the part of why a stable house, food clothing etc are optional.
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote: > There are a number of things that bother me about the article. > > First, most (poor) people don’t need a bunch of academics to tell them > that a higher wage is an illusion if the cost of living is astronomical. > > Second, regardless of your philosophical position on affordable housing, > as hinted at in the last paragraph of the article, if ain’t going to happen. > > Third, in spite of the high cost of living people are still pouring into > CA and NY. Why? That’s the issue of importance. My view is that it’s all > about immigration and deferred gratification. The people coming into CA and > NY are immigrants both from other countries and other parts of the US. They > realize the issue of high cost of living and are willing to take on > multiple jobs (think of Uber drivers in San Francisco), take on jobs others > don’t want, commute long distances and live in less than ideal > circumstances because of the opportunities not necessarily for themselves > but for their children and their children’s children. Many of my > grandparents’s generation, all of whom were immigrants, came to the US into > far worse living conditions than they had in Europe. Those who weren’t > willing to make those sacrifices for future generations stayed. That’s > still true for many groups today, whether in West Virginia or Latin America > or Eastern Europe. > > The UK is great example of this. In the north there are multiple > generations living in poverty in the same places their families have lived > for generations while London is full of Eastern Europeans (from the EEU > countries). Similar to the US? Housing is even more expensive there. > > To take a slightly different view from Steve, a large part of the > migration to CA, especially after WWII, was to the opportunities offered by > free education. For example, my ex-wifes’s family came to CA from Iowa then > with six kids, all of whom got college degrees from the California > colleges. Wouldn’t have happened if they stayed in Iowa. > > Yes, things have changed a lot and the present generation often does not > have the opportunities mine did. But the solution is not affordable > housing. It has to be centered around free education and support for people > whose jobs have disappeared. > > Santa Fe is in a somewhat different situation is that unlike CA and NY > there are very few jobs available regardless of your educational level. > Affordable housing won’t fix that although it may help keep police, firemen > and teachers here. But unless, SF and NM in general does something about > education in the state, things are unlikely to get better. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 <(505)%20984-0136> (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > 505-453-4944 <(505)%20453-4944> (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com> wrote: > > Pertinent to this morning's discussion. > > The Barriers Stopping Poor People From Moving to Better Jobs > https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/10/ > geographic-mobility-and-housing/542439/ > > TJ > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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