Nick noted, "Nobody claimed that civility would solve *every *problem, did they?"
I can't answer that question. If someone did, I disagree; I agree with those who would deny such a claim. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:28 AM Douglass Carmichael <d...@dougcarmichael.com> wrote: > The word *truth* has an interesting history > > begins in feudalism (same as troth, as in “i pledge thee my troth”) as a > relation between two people (as in the knighthood ceremony) > > moves on to the nature of tools, “this blade is true” > > moves on to the relationship of things to things, true material world > thing to thing as in science. > > The human relation side has been slowly stripped out. > > We have over objectified and materialized the world. Time for a reset to > where *truth* has an element of faith and trust as interpersonal along > with the material. Science actually does this, though unspoken, we feel > faith and trust in another scientist as part of the science culture. > > doug > > > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > Dear Marcus, Owen > > Allow me to heckle, if you will. Marcus, your post exemplifies a theory > of human nature which is summarized by the motto, *in caloris veritas. *It > is the idea that we speak the truth when we speak in the heat of the > moment. Trump is a wonderful demonstration of the weakness of this theory: > he always speaks impulsively, but never manages to speak the truth about > anything. I think it’s equally plausible to assert that we come closest to > the truth of any matter when we speak with the keenest awareness of the > social consequences of what we are saying. > > Hey Frank; did I get the Latin right? > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com > <friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:21 AM > *To:* Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about > it) > > Owen, > > On several occasions over the years, I have been advised by `neural third > parties' that the content of my writing can be edgy, but that in person I'm > "Not that way" or "He's fine." Now, some people think that in-person > interactions are more representative of a person's character. That if we > just get in front of one another and _see_ the others' feelings, all > conflict will be resolved. No. I would suggest Roberts' (Friedman, and > other popular writers) preoccupation with civility is mistaken. Civility > may keep people from killing each other, temporarily, but it certainly > isn't informative. It is just the application of social skill, and this is > not the same thing as listening, thinking, or being honest in debate. It > is a weak facilitator. The problem with the current situation is that one > side is just dishonest. In the ternary world of politics, the `don't care' > folks are in the crossfire, and that is appropriate. > > Marcus > ------------------------------ > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Owen Densmore < > o...@backspaces.net> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:04:42 PM > *To:* Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) > > Medium, my current outlet of choice, has an interesting "story" (Medium > deals in Stories, not Tech nor Politics nor ...). It echos a lot of what > we've been dealing with. > > > https://medium.com/@russroberts/the-world-turned-upside-down-and-what-to-do-about-it-2dc27d1cf5f5 > > Somewhat dark, but awfully close to home. > > -- Owen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > Blessings, > Doug > > > Douglass Carmichael > d...@dougcarmichael.com > www.dougcarmichael.com > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove -- Russ Abbott Professor, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles
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