SG

I think of this particular exercise as a deliberate sampling/searching of the infinite (or staggeringly large) phase space of a system as you described it earlier. Since you invoke "random systems along with random models", I think I therefore mean my System to be a system of systems from which you randomly select promising examples?

SS


On 5/28/17 11:00 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
Though there are times, like in the context of machine learning, when we program algorithms to define ensembles of random systems along with ensembles of random models and select amongst them based on how well they fit observed data to find novel explanations for data for uses in prediction or classification. This might be related to past discussions on abductiion at FRIAM. Genetic Programming would be a related example.

Even though the systems in this case are defined randomly, given that they are selected for against some fitness function, the final systems used would probably still not constitute "arbitrary".
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On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com <mailto:stephen.gue...@simtable.com>> wrote:

        So, what constitutes a system is arbitrary? In the mind of the
        beholder?

        I remember when we used to argue about this at The Complex.

        I always wanted to argue that a system is in some sense
        “self-bounding”.  It consists of a group of entities that are
        interacting more intimately with one another than they are
        with entities outside the system.



    In the context of complex systems research, a *system* is an
    abstraction of a set of connected components and its boundary. The
    system's boundary can be defined as open, closed or isolated to
    flows of quantities of energy, mass, information, symbols etc.
    Defining information is a different thread ;-)

    A *model* is the mathematical/computational formalization of the
    system.

    /Is what constitutes a system arbitrary?/
    George Box famously said "all models are wrong, but some are
    useful <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong>".
    Given that models are formalizations of systems and if arbitrary
    means: "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any
    reason or system.", I would say researchers use reason and
    systemic thought to develop "useful" system descriptions. So,
    system descriptions are not arbitrary. They are designed to be
    useful for the question being asked. No system description nor
    model can answer all questions - they are specifically designed
    for a problem at hand.

    Relatedly, a*simulation,* in the way we use it, is a single
    instance of a model run based on initializing  a model's
    parameters computing next states to observe its behavior/dynamics.

    The *phase space* is the behavior of the model over all possible
    input states.




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