Glen, Let me take one claim at a time.
Do you agree that at least one of these is an example of a non-biological complex system? - ferromagnetic system (described with ising model) - Bénard cell formation (convection) - Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction _______________________________________________________________________ stephen.gue...@simtable.com <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 twitter: @simtable On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:40 PM, glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, but you're relying on the ambiguity of the concept. A system that > is only complex for very short spans of time, or under very special > conditions wouldn't fit with _most_ people's concept of "complex". To > boot, unadulterated oscillation wouldn't satisfy it either. And, as has > been said earlier in the thread, allowing any an all physical systems to be > called "complex" when they're placed under special circumstances defeats > the purpose of the concept. > > So, I agree with Russ' _gist_ in that the 3rd requirement is necessary for > at least a large band of types of complexity. But I would relax his 3rd > requirement from symbolic information to a more objective characterization > of a boundary, with distinct sides/regions. Then you could make it even > more specific and close a region; so you get something akin to an agent, > with an inside vs outside. And whether one calls transduction across that > boundary "information" or not becomes a discussion of the properties of the > boundary (what it is and isn't closed under). > > Of course, whether such a boundary has an ontological status of its own, > or whether it's identified/attributed by onlookers is another question. > > On 05/25/2017 09:08 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > > Practically any physical system that transacts forms of energy can have > > critical regimes of phase transitions and would all qualify as complex > > systems. > > > -- > ☣ glen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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