For What It's Worth as I understand it: -It's a spectrum. -Someone can have aspects of both. -How someone recharges is offten a clue what end of this spectrum they're on. For example someone that talks a lot and then feels recharged has some extrovert tendencies. However -Making matters worse is someone on theDyslexic and or Autism SpectrumS can seem like Extrovert/Intervert (See also many of silicon vallies very clever people) - -The sunset is very pretty and beer is good so is Legends of Tomorrow. -Is it spring yet? -Haven't we given ThatPerson what their neursis needs?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > In her book "Neurosis and Human Growth", Karen Horney (Horn-Eye) has > chapters on "the self-effacing solution" and "the expansive solution". > Both solutions are responses to unconscious, neurotic conflicts. The > self-effacing version is introversion-like and the expansive version is > extroversion-like. In other words, extroversion and introversion can be > caused by similar conflicts. > > Frank > > > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu > Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:51 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source > Software > > > Right, it's fine for us to be talking about ambiguous concepts... in fact, > I'd argue those are the things that need the most discussion. Just for > context, since I'm still waiting for my hepatocyte culture simulation to > finish, I took this test: > > https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/23-signs- > youe28099re-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/ > > I got a 67 ... of course, that's probably biased since I'm taking the test > in the context of this conversation. But what's amazing to me is my > ability to doubt myself while remaining confident in my doubt of other > things. The best question was: > > "___ I tend to feel humiliated when criticized." > > This reminds me of the reappropriation of negative labels. I can't help > but wonder what mechanisms (deeply) insecure people have developed to > handle negative circumstances. And that reminds me of this article, which > I thought was fantastic: > > An open letter to Milo Yiannopoulos > http://www.dailycal.org/2017/01/17/open-letter-milo-yiannopoulos/ > > I think most people are hurt by criticism of any kind. But what matters > is not that you're hurt by it. What matters is how you _respond_. And how > you respond also happens to be how we diagnose personality disorders. It > seems less about how the incoming information impinges on you and much more > about how you respond, what your rearing taught you to do. > > > On 01/27/2017 02:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Well, this isn't physics or math so any assertion is ambiguous, > complicated and uncertain. But...Introversion is often caused by grandiose > or exhibitionistic impulses. Once I saw a TV interview in which Barbra > Streisand claimed to be a shy introvert. (That's the correct spelling of > her name). To the extent that I understand it, and very oversimplified, > Narcissistic Personality Disorder is caused by failure of the parents to > validate a child's authentic self. For instance, imagine a three > year-old's mother says, "He's a ladies' man like his daddy". First, he's > not a man and the only lady he cares about is his mommy. He feels lonely, > empty, and much dissonance between what he is and what his parent(s) say(s) > he is. > > > > Disclaimer: I read a handful of books on this and related topics. I > took one course at the Pittsburgh Psychoanalytic Institute on > "Psychoanalysis and Literature". I had many conversations with residents, > psychiatrists, and psychoanalysts when I worked in the Research Center in > Child Psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh. This is far from being > educated in the field. > > -- > ☣ glen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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