On 12/28/2015 06:30 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
> A language that is not even internally consistent presumably has no hope of 
> having an empirically valid semantics, since evidently the universe "is" 
> something, and there is no semantic notion of ambiguity of its 
> "being/not-being" some definite thing, structurally analogous to an 
> inconsistent language's being able to arrive at a contradiction by taking two 
> paths to answer a single proposition.

It's not clear to me that the presumption is trustworthy.  Isn't it possible 
that what is (reality) does not obey some of the structure we rely on for 
asserting consistency (or completeness)?  In other words, perhaps reality is 
inconsistent.  Hence, the only language that will be valid, will be an 
inconsistent language.  Of course, that doesn't imply that just any old 
inconsistency will be tolerated.  Perhaps reality is only inconsistent in very 
particular ways and any language that we expect to validate must be 1) 
inconsistent in all those real ways and 2) in only those real ways.

Further of course, inconsistency is a bit like paradox in that, once you 
identify an inconsistency very precisely, you may be able to define a new 
language that eliminates it. ... which brings us beyond the (mere) points of 
higher order logics and iterative constructions, to the core idea of 
context-sensitive construction.  There is no Grand Unifying Anything except the 
imperative to approach Grand Unified Things.

And this targets Patrick's argument against the idealists (e.g. libertarians 
and marxists).  The only reliable ideal is the creation and commitment to 
ideals.  Each particular ideal is (will be) eventually destroyed.  But for 
whatever reason, we seem to always create and commit ourselves to ideals.  Old 
people tend to surrender over time and build huge hairballs of bandaged ideals 
all glued together with spit and bailing wire.  Any serious conversation with 
an old person is an attempt to navigate the topology of their iteratively 
constructed, stigmergic, hairball of broken ideals ... and if that old person 
is open-minded, such conversations lead to new kinks and tortuous folds ... 
which is why old people make the best story tellers.

But I can't help wondering why music is dominated by the young. [sigh]

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⊥ glen ⊥

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