Hi Nick,

That’s an interesting question. I am not a vegetarian and I have, on occasion, 
asked myself “Why not?”.  Some of my answers are probably rationalizations: 
“Vegetarians have to be careful about getting enough protein”; “The studies 
connecting meat to cancer may well be faulty” (for example, it seems that a 
diet rich in fruits and vegetables helps to prevent cancer and vegetarians are 
more likely to have such a diet). On the other hand, I have not in any serious 
way explored any of these thoughts --I have not made it my business to see how 
hard it is for vegetarians to get adequate protein, and I have not investigated 
how the studies control for the effects of, say, meat-eaters eating fewer 
vegetables.

I think my real reasons are that I like meat, and I think that being a 
vegetarian would be inconvenient. I do respond to cancer studies, so I try to 
eat salads and broccoli  and fruits and other vegetables. Also, I have largely 
(but not at all completely) given up red meat. The latest studies will make me 
less likely to go to a Subway for a processed Turkey sandwich. But I have 
already entertained the thought that the studies are probably flawed because 
people who lots of processed meats will include a disproportionately high 
number who do not eat very well--I haven’t, of course, checked to see whether 
the studies control for this possibility. 

--John

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From: Friam [[email protected]] on behalf of Nick Thompson 
[[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:06 AM
To: Friam
Subject: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

Dear Friam members,

As those of you in the mother church are already aware, I have been trying
to foment a conversation about what rationality consists of and how does it
relate to a purported scientific consensus.  I assume that you are all, more
or less, rational people.  How exactly, then, did each of you come to the
conclusion that, say, animal fats do or do not cause heart disease, smoking
does or does not cause cancer, human activity does or does not cause global
warming, that tick bites do (or do not) cause a syndrome called chronic Lyme
disease, that, say, beet powder improves metabolism (?), or that turmeric
does or does not alleviate arthritis.  Or, perhaps more important, how did
you decide to act on these beliefs?  Or not?

A friend of mine is always trying to change my eating habits and now
assaults me with evidence that red meat, particularly if processed, is
increasing my risk of cancer.  She includes in her email several links that
are designed to convince me.  I include those below.

The question I would like us to consider is not really the substance of the
matter.  I am effing 77 years old, with a dozen things wrong with me that
are likely to kill me long before tomorrow's hotdog will.  I am more
interested in the process by which each of you will decide whether or not to
change your habits on the basis of this new evidence, or try to change the
habits of your children or grandchildren.  In what sense will that process
be "reasonable?"

Discuss.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: EMAIL
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:31 PM
To: Nick Thompson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Meat

Here's a thoughtful look at what the WHO had to say about meat and cancer:

http://examine.com/blog/scientists-just-found-that-red-meat-causes-cancer--o
r-did-they/?utm_source=Examine.com+Insiders&utm_campaign=34d0d95b1b-Red_mead
10_27_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e4d662cb1b-34d0d95b1b-70203945&ct=t(R
ed_mead10_27_2015)&goal=0_e4d662cb1b-34d0d95b1b-70203945&mc_cid=34d0d95b1b&m
c_eid=3edf56d922

Apparently the WHO looked at 800 different studies.  That's a lot of
studies.  Is it a meta study?

R


On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

> R
>
> I always wait for the metastudy.
>
> n
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMAIL
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:35 PM
> To: Nick Thompson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Meat
>
> Nick,
>
> Are you freaking out about the meat/cancer news?  Here's an article
> that puts it in perspective:
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/science/sifting-the-evidence/2015/oct/26/me
> at-and
> -tobacco-the-difference-between-risk-and-strength-of-evidence?CMP=fb_a
> -scien ce_b-gdnscience?CMP=fb_a-science_b-gdnscience
>
>
.
>
>


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