An emergent idea is one relatively few people are paying attention to. If we indulged in specifics, the ideas would cease to be emergent.
So I think its kind of like we're using averted vision. A post that points out an emergent idea is not necessarily inviting a collective hot needle of inquiry on that idea, but instead is illuminating a potential cloud of nearby ones. Sometimes it also takes a bit of noise injection to figure out what's being discussed, so you see those kinds of posts too. So, if you are new, the conversation seems to jump around a lot. Takes a bit of getting used to. The main thing is to not think of the list primarily (though it does happen from time to time) a coherent narrative, but as a part of a larger environment of thought, readings and off line discussion. Carl Robert Holmes wrote: > Jack - > > First rule of FRIAM: no one talks about specifics. > Second rule of FRIAM: no one talks about specifics > > Robert > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Jack Leibowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > As a new correspondent in the FRIAM family, would someone please > explain, > with specifics, what particular emergent ideas are being referred > to in the > paragraph below. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Henshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>; "'The Friday Morning Applied > Complexity > Coffee Group'" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies > > > >I guess that's the puzzle, since we can't use triangulation to > measure > > distance for stars we use various corollaries for age to measure > distance > > and of distance to measure age, according to the equations that have > > seemed > > to make sense so far. That the equations have not been making > sense in > > several ways, like needing the invention of dark energy and dark > matter to > > bend them for other discrepancies, is what science keeps doing, > adding > > "epicycles" on old theory until some complete impasse arises... and > > someone > > finally has to think up something completely new. If others > don't come > > to > > the same impasse, like not seeing that emergence *must* be a local > > individual developmental process and so not asking *how*, no > amount of > > good > > solutions for the problem will be recognized. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On > >> Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson > >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:09 PM > >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Subject: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies > >> > >> Dumb question for you cosmologists to chew over: > >> > >> How can they be so far away and yet so young? Or, to put it even > >> dumber, > >> are there parts of the Universe that are so far away that they > havent > >> happened yet? > >> > >> I guess this is a question about scales of distance vis a vis > scales of > >> time. > >> > >> Nick > >> > >> Nicholas S. Thompson > >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, > >> Clark University ([EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Friam mailing list > >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> > > >> > > >> > End of Friam Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 > >> > ************************************ > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
