Yea, how far away would anyone guess it is to the invention of the first 'intelligent' machine? Do you think it's a matter of one or many missing discoveries, or just applying current knowledge in a more complex way?
Phil Henshaw ¸¸¸¸.·´ ¯ `·.¸¸¸¸ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040 tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] explorations: www.synapse9.com > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:35 AM > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sensor networks and self-organization > > > > No, they don't self-organize into football teams. It is > perhaps what they should do, but reality looks very > different. Two of my colleagues are taking part in the > RoboCup and just came back from the tournament in Bremen (see > http://carpenoctem.das-lab.net/). > >From what I have learned, the RoboCup teams do the following: > the AIBOs crawl around aimlessly and hit the own goal, the fragile > humanoid robots fall backwards everytime they kick the ball, > and only the robots of the middle size league offer more or less > interesting games. Even they are unable to coordinate and organize > themselves, usually all team members head for the ball at the > same time > until they form a big knot of robots, and if one manages to > get behind the ball he tries to kick the ball directly > towards the goal. Not a very smart behavior, and no robot > team is able to implement a > more complex behavior such as give-and-go. > > Even real soccer teams don't organize themselves as you can observe > in the world cup currently. Every team member has a clear role > (goal keeper-defender-midfielder-striker), the overall strategy > is determined by the coach or trainer, and most of the goals are > caused by some kind of accident. I like to consider a soccer > game as a sort of co-evolution conflict between two adaptive > systems, where each system tries to adapt itself to the > other. Normally the boundary between both systems shifts > slowly from one goal to the other, on the one side are the > players of team 1, on the other side are players of team 2. A > goal is usually only > possible if the balance is disrupted quickly enough by an > accident or a surprise attack, if the imbalance is strongly > enough to disrupt the process of adaptation. > > -J. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Parks > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:27 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sensor networks and self-organization > > There's also the Robot World Cup <http://www.robocup.org/>, > which has > teams of agents/robots that self-organize into football teams. > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
