There is still no difference between that and doing a regular thickness study with two groups. Were are you getting stuck? doug
On 01/17/2014 12:35 PM, krista kelly wrote: > Hi Doug, > > Sorry I should have specified BETWEEN groups analyses. I have two > groups (control, patient) and I wanted to see if the hemisphere > asymmetries (or laterality indices) differed between groups. Is there > a way to do that? > > Thanks for all you help! > Krista > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote: > > > yes, it is just like a "normal" group analysis. You create a stack > of LI > maps, one for each subject, create an FSGD file, run mri_glmfit, then > mri_glmfit-sim. > > doug > > > > On 01/13/2014 06:22 PM, krista kelly wrote: > > > > Just wanted to repost this in case anyone else can give some advice. > > Thanks! > > > > Is there any way to analyze group differences with xhemi? I can get > > the laterality indices per group, but I'd like to do a whole brain > > analyses looking at group differences in laterality indices. > > > > Thanks, > > Krista > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Douglas N Greve > > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, use the cache files. When "--cache" is used, the > csdbase="cache" > > > > On 12/10/2013 12:20 PM, krista kelly wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > > > I've looked into mri_glmfit-sim --help to figure out which > files I > > > could overlay in tkurfer after correcting for multiple > comparisons > > > using the instructions for xhemi on the freesurfer wiki. > > However, I do > > > not see any of these files (csd.base...) in the glmdir/osgm > > folder. I > > > only see ones that begin with cache..... Are these the files I > > should > > > be overlaying? Or should I be using different commands for my > > analyses? > > > > > > here is the command line I used: > > > > > > mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir glm.lh.lh-rh.area.pial.sm05 \ > > > --cwpvalthresh .5 --cache 2 abs > > > > > > Prior to mri_glmfit, I conducted the "create a stack of > subjects" > > > using paired-diff-norm in place of paired-diff > > > > > > Ultimately, I want to look at hemisphere asymmetries > (preferably in > > > terms of laterality indices) in two different groups > separately. > > > > > > I would also like to see if laterality indices differ between > > groups. > > > Is this possible? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Krista > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, krista kelly > > <krista.kell...@gmail.com <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com> > <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com > <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com > <mailto:krista.kell...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > > Great Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Douglas N Greve > > > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 12/09/2013 11:53 AM, krista kelly wrote: > > > > Thanks Doug! I'll try that instead. > > > > > > > > Also, do you or anyone else happen to have the > answers > > to my > > > other > > > > questions (reposted below): > > > > > > > > 1) When viewing the results in tksurfer, which color > > > represents "left > > > > hemisphere is larger" and which represents "right > > hemisphere > > > is larger"? > > > If you are just doing a simple interhemispheric > > difference, then > > > yellow/red will be left>right and blue left<right > > > > > > > > 2) I have no idea how to view the results in > tksurfer > > AFTER > > > performing > > > > the step of correcting for multiple comparisons. Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > > If you run mri_glmfit-sim with --help you will see > a list of > > > output > > > files with descriptions for each. Choose the one you > > want and run > > > tksurfer on it (eg, tksurfer fsaverage_sym lh inflated > > -aparc > > > -overlay > > > csdbase.sig.cluster.mgh ) > > > > > > doug > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Krista > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Douglas N Greve > > > > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Run mris_preproc with --paired-diff-norm which > > will then > > > compute > > > > LI = (L-R)/(.5*(L+R)) > > > > Note that some people use > > > > LI = (L-R)/(L+R) > > > > If that is what you want, then divide the > mris_preproc > > > result by 2 > > > > > > > > doug > > > > > > > > On 12/08/2013 08:45 PM, krista kelly wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I'm analysing interhemispheric differences > using > > > xhemi. I have > > > > > followed the instructions on the webpage > with no > > > problems. I do > > > > have a > > > > > few questions though. > > > > > > > > > > 1) When viewing the results in tksurfer, > which color > > > represents > > > > "left > > > > > hemisphere is larger" and which represents > "right > > > hemisphere is > > > > larger"? > > > > > > > > > > 2) I have no idea how to view the results in > > tksurfer > > > AFTER > > > > performing > > > > > the step of correcting for multiple > comparisons. Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > 3) I've noticed from the archives that some > > people are > > > performing > > > > > laterality indices. How would I calculate > laterality > > > indices? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Krista > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Freesurfer mailing list > > > > > Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > > > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>> > > > > > > > > https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Douglas N. 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