Hi Bruce,

Thanks for offering to take a look at the data.
I am using freesurfer-Linux-centos4_x86_64-stable-pub-v4.3.1.
Yes I have had this problem on a few other data-sets - more like 1 every 8
datasets. Teh data is collected using a 3D SPGR scan (TR=13, TE=6.2,
flip=20, sagittal, 256*256, 1mm slice thickness, isotropic voxels), HNS head
coil, on a 1.5 clinical GE scanner.

How should I send you the subject's processed dir? Its a bit big to email
after tar and gzip.

Regards,
Mayuresh



On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Bruce Fischl <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>wrote:

> oh, sorry, you are completely right! What version are you using? If you tar
> and gzip the subject's dir we'll take a look. Has this happened on other
> datasets with these acquisition parameters? What sequence/coil/scanner are
> you using?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Mayuresh K wrote:
>
>  Hi Dan and Bruce,
>>
>> Thanks for your getting back on the problem.
>> My concern is more about the dura being incorrectly labeled - It appears
>> to
>> me that the grey-CSF boundary has been incorrectly labeled as the GM-WM
>> boundary across the entire image.
>> Any ideas what may have gone wrong?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mayuresh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 3:28 AM, <freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>> >wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>  1. Re: incorrect GM/WM surfaces (Daniel G Wakeman)
>>>  2. problems with loading a pial surface (Iris Steinmann)
>>>  3. Re: incorrect GM/WM surfaces (Bruce Fischl)
>>>  4. Re: problems with loading a pial surface (Bruce Fischl)
>>>  5. preproc-sess OSX bug fix getrunlist (Juli Dolzhenko)
>>>  6. MRI analyst position (Keith Schneider)
>>>  7. Distance between two points along cortical (caoaize)
>>>
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>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 05:53:20 +0100
>>> From: Daniel G Wakeman <daniel.wake...@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] incorrect GM/WM surfaces
>>> To: <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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>>> Hi Mayuresh,
>>>
>>> I assume you are talking about the area in the posterior midline, where
>>> the
>>> pial surface seems to go 'squiggly'. You also seem to have a problem with
>>> the right hemisphere (left visually: I hate radiology ;)), where some
>>> dura
>>> seems incorrectly labeled as pial surface (although the grey matter is
>>> very
>>> difficult to see on this sequence/ at this setting).
>>>
>>> To fix these I recommend this wiki page:
>>> http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/FsTutorial/PialEdits
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On 2011 Apr 1, at 05:08 , <freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> <
>>> freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:
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>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:21:18 +1100
>>>> From: Mayuresh K <mayureshk...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] incorrect GM/WM surfaces
>>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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>>>>      <AANLkTi=bltokkzngth5sxhsqvmfruhakzg9u07xzw...@mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Hello freesurfer experts,
>>>>
>>>> I have successfully finished running the recon-all analysis without any
>>>> errors for a dataset scanned on the 1.5T GE scanner. The output GM/WM
>>>> surfaces however look incorrect and I am not sure what may have gone
>>>>
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>>> See attached screenshot from tkmedit.
>>>> Any suggestions how to fix this would be helpful.
>>>>
>>>> I have processed other datasets collected from the same scanner using
>>>> the
>>>> same sequence which seem to have correctly identified the pial and
>>>> grey-white boundaries. I am using
>>>> freesurfer-Linux-centos4_x86_64-stable-pub-v4.3.1.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mayuresh
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:42:47 +0200
>>> From: Iris Steinmann <iris.steinm...@uni-heidelberg.de>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] problems with loading a pial surface
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Message-ID: <1301643767.2015.2.camel@steinmann>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> Hello Freesurfers
>>>
>>> I still have the problem using a tcl script that should load the pial
>>> surface on a patch in tksurfer. I tried to use the following three
>>> commands:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  set gaLinkedVars(vertexset) 3
>>>    SendLinkedVarGroup view
>>>    redraw
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.  read_pial_vertex_coordinates
>>>    redraw
>>>
>>> 3.  read_surface_vertex_set 3 lh.pial
>>>    redraw
>>>
>>>
>>> But none of them loaded the pial surface. I would be very thankful for
>>>  a solution ore a hint.
>>>
>>>    Iris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:27:58 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: Bruce Fischl <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] incorrect GM/WM surfaces
>>> To: Daniel G Wakeman <daniel.wake...@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk>
>>> Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Message-ID:
>>>       <pine.lnx.4.62.1104010827050.28...@gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hi Mayuresh
>>>
>>> the "squiggly" stuff isn't necessarily a problem. You need to look at it
>>> in
>>> a different view, but it can be a region in which the surface is nearly
>>> paralell to the viewing plane to that it crosses back and forth a ton of
>>> times in a small patch.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Daniel G Wakeman wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Mayuresh,
>>>>
>>>> I assume you are talking about the area in the posterior midline, where
>>>>
>>> the pial surface seems to go 'squiggly'. You also seem to have a problem
>>> with the right hemisphere (left visually: I hate radiology ;)), where
>>> some
>>> dura seems incorrectly labeled as pial surface (although the grey matter
>>> is
>>> very difficult to see on this sequence/ at this setting).
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To fix these I recommend this wiki page:
>>>> http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/FsTutorial/PialEdits
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck!
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> On 2011 Apr 1, at 05:08 , <freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> <
>>>>
>>> freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>>>  1. incorrect GM/WM surfaces (Mayuresh K)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:21:18 +1100
>>>>> From: Mayuresh K <mayureshk...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] incorrect GM/WM surfaces
>>>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello freesurfer experts,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have successfully finished running the recon-all analysis without any
>>>>> errors for a dataset scanned on the 1.5T GE scanner. The output GM/WM
>>>>> surfaces however look incorrect and I am not sure what may have gone
>>>>>
>>>> wrong.
>>>
>>>> See attached screenshot from tkmedit.
>>>>> Any suggestions how to fix this would be helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have processed other datasets collected from the same scanner using
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> same sequence which seem to have correctly identified the pial and
>>>>> grey-white boundaries. I am using
>>>>> freesurfer-Linux-centos4_x86_64-stable-pub-v4.3.1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mayuresh
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:51:34 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: Bruce Fischl <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] problems with loading a pial surface
>>> To: Iris Steinmann <iris.steinm...@uni-heidelberg.de>
>>> Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Message-ID:
>>>       <pine.lnx.4.62.1104010837040.28...@gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hi Iris,
>>>
>>> updating. I would try:
>>>
>>>
>>> set_current_vertex_set 3
>>> UpdateLinkedVarGroup view
>>> UpdateAndRedraw
>>>
>>>
>>> if this doesn't work, tell us, and if you don't get a response in the
>>> next
>>> day or so, can you repost in a week? We are flat out trying to prepare
>>> for
>>> our upcoming course and also get 5.1 out the door. The tcl scripting is
>>> confusing and could use serious
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> p.s. I am a bit confused about what you are trying to do though. Why do
>>> you
>>> want only a patch of the pial surface? And not flattened I assume as I
>>> don't even know what that would mean (it wouldn't be the pial surface
>>> anymore).
>>>
>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Iris Steinmann wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Freesurfers
>>>>
>>>> I still have the problem using a tcl script that should load the pial
>>>> surface on a patch in tksurfer. I tried to use the following three
>>>> commands:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1.  set gaLinkedVars(vertexset) 3
>>>>    SendLinkedVarGroup view
>>>>    redraw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2.  read_pial_vertex_coordinates
>>>>    redraw
>>>>
>>>> 3.  read_surface_vertex_set 3 lh.pial
>>>>    redraw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But none of them loaded the pial surface. I would be very thankful for
>>>> a solution ore a hint.
>>>>
>>>>    Iris
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: "Juli Dolzhenko" <j...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] preproc-sess OSX bug fix getrunlist
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Message-ID:
>>>       <44911.68.162.255.42.1301673617.squir...@mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am running into an issue with running preproc-sess on OSX as outlined
>>> here:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/msg15896.html
>>>
>>> I saw Doug posted a bug fix that should solve this problem, however, I am
>>> unable to access it from:
>>> ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/getrunlist
>>>
>>> Is there a way I can download this new version of getrunlist?
>>>
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Juli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:26:03 -0400
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>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] MRI analyst position
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Message-ID: <eafd6b8f-3d65-4ef3-af30-7d3938eba...@yorku.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:28:31 +0800
>>> From: caoaize <caoa...@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] Distance between two points along cortical
>>> To: <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Message-ID: <snt103-w613dc3e0168318d3f2b966b5...@phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello FS Experts,
>>>
>>> Suppose we have two points on the cortical surface (pial for example), we
>>> want to know the distance between these two point along cortical surface
>>> (not direct distance). Does FS report this kind of distance? Any
>>> suggestion
>>> will be very appreciated.
>>>
>>> Aize
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