Nick,

Could you please help me reconcile your reply to Zhen below with Avi’s
note below about the tal_QC_AZS script?

Below we have pasted a sample of our recon all log.  Is the  talAviQA in
the default log the same as the eta term that Avi describes as output of
the tal_QC_AZS script below in his note to Zhen?  What does the z refer to
in the recon all log?

It appears that the default –tal check does not generate the
atlas_transform_error term, correct?  ( I also don’t see any term less
than 15).

Does one need to run Avi’s tal_QC_AZS script to generate the
atlas_transform_error term ?

While it looks like –tal check not not automatically output the value of
the atlas_transform_error term,
Is the z score that DOES appear (automatically) in the log file the same z
score that Avi mentions below, that compares the atlas_transform_error
term to the training set?


Thanks!

Carl

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Mon Apr 13 15:14:55 CST 2009
talairach_avi done

 cp transforms/talairach.auto.xfm transforms/talairach.xfm 

#--------------------------------------------
#...@# Talairach Failure Detection Mon Apr 13 15:14:56 CST 2009
/nfs/h2/r6/subjects/A39/mri

 talairach_afd -T 0.005 -xfm transforms/talairach.xfm 

talairach_afd: Talairach Transform: transforms/talairach.xfm OK (p=0.8116,
pval=0.8469 >= threshold=0.0050)

 awk -f
/nfs/h1/r1/jliu/new_soft_test/freesurfer/bin/extract_talairach_avi_QA.awk
/nfs/h2/r6/subjects/A39/mri/transforms/talairach_avi.log 

TalAviQA: 0.97187
z-score: -1
#-------------------------------------------




On 4/22/09 4:04 PM, "Nick Schmansky" <ni...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:

Zhen,

The -tal-check flag included with recon-all will perform the QA check
that Avi mentions, with the addition of creating a z-score comparing the
subject's QA score to a set of QA scores of known-good talairach
alignments.  The -tal-check flag runs by default in recon-all (in -all
and -autorecon1), and will error exit if the alignment is below
threshold.

Nick

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On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 19:02 +0800, Zhen Zonglei wrote:
> Dear Avi:
>
> Thanks for your kind and the script.I will use it to check tal QC of
> all my data .
>
> Zognlei
>
>
> 2009/4/21 Avi Snyder <a...@npg.wustl.edu>
>         Zonglei,
>
>         1. Re: how to detemine Talairach transform success from the
>         logfile:
>         Attached is a simple csh script (tal_QC_AZS) and a required
>         awk script.
>         tal_QC_AZS reads the log file and writes out two numbers.
>         The first number (eta) is the spatial correlation between the
>         (blurred) input
>         image and the atlas representative target image. eta values
>         less than 0.96 are highly
>         suspect. The second number ("atlas_transform_error") is
>         computed on the basis of
>         registration objective function curvature in parameter space.
>         The 12 present numbers
>         are compared to values derived from a training set.
>         atlas_transform_error values
>         less than ~15 are good.
>
>
>         Avi
>         
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>         >Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:52:45 +0800
>         >Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] t4_read error (fwd)
>         >From: Zhen Zonglei <zonglei....@gmail.com>
>         >To: Avi Snyder <a...@npg.wustl.edu>
>
>         >Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu,
>         fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu, ni...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>         >
>         > Hi avi:
>         >
>         >Thanks for your help. Still have two questions.
>         >
>         >1)       How to determine whether the Talairach transform is
>         reasonable
>         >based on recon-all.log?




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