Hi Jim, Question to you: Do you know how many LINES the FREEDOS Kernel has?
Thanks, Thomas PS. regarding your understandable reaction on Liam’s earlier mail, I don’t mind too much his »No« to FREEDOS as I personally have my reasons why I would want to explore FreeDos more in depth. As I pointed out in my answer to Liam, people might have different reasons why to deal with FREEDOS. And it is not at all only about old gear or nostalgia. Actually, as you say, > see how it > starts up and what it's doing is a good point. There is still sort-of connection possible between the machine and system and the user, like »Talking to the machine«… PPS. ( I just looked at OBERON, as Liam mentioned, but this isn’t something I would want… Despite it’s claim for being a usable system, it was released in Feb 1992 - a mere 32 years ago! - and smells to me much like other European academic stuff. The revision in 2013 isn’t yesterday either. The GUI is IMHO obsolete and inconsistent. Three button mouse? ) As an illustration what I mean, look at https://youtu.be/OJGnpmnXR5w?si=QBQdfnvbiZ5Kak4x&t=353 how the window clicking is obscure…! Thank's no! It is strange that Europeans never came up with OS systems distributed on a broader scope. (I am allowed to say that, because I am living in Europe) One reason is not to be native linguistically to the whole stuff. You have to translate from your own language (keyboard layout…!! or character set) to the US-English ASCII born sets and all those terms. This adds another layer of complexity to something already complex. I guess the whole train »has left the station« (as we say in German) to imagine a »French« computer or a »German« computer or anything culturally divers from the english lingua franca of computing from China over India and Russia to Europe. … > On 17.03.2024, at 18:29, Jim Hall via Freedos-user > <freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 6:26 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-user > <freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > [..] >> There are good reasons that DOS went away some 35 years ago. It has >> its uses but not being able to flip to another window or another >> screen to consult documentation, or try something out, or look it up >> online, is a *massive* handicap. > [..] >> If you have a Raspberry Pi, the core of RISC OS is 6MB of code. That's >> the kernel, the GUI, the desktop, the text editor, image viewer, >> BASIC, and so on. It's a multitasking internet-capable GUI OS with one >> of the best and fastest BASICs ever. > > That's a very interesting way of "advocating" FreeDOS, and "helping" > folks who are new to FreeDOS. > > Here we have a person who discovered FreeDOS, who wants to experiment > with FreeDOS by writing programs with it, and was looking for pointers > to get started. It's a very odd reaction to immediately tell that > person to go find another operating system. That's not very welcoming. > > If someone discovers FreeDOS and wants to explore FreeDOS, we should > help them find a way to "Yes" and not to "No." > > > [..] >> I like DOS. I use DOS. But I am also realistic about DOS. If you want >> to learn, today, almost anything else is better. >> > > We all know that FreeDOS is DOS, and that means it is an operating > system built on 1980s and 1990s limitations. But FreeDOS is a cool > retro system with more updated tools, so it's great for learning. > FreeDOS (like any DOS) has very few "moving parts," you can see how it > starts up and what it's doing: 1. kernel 2. config.sys 3. command.com > 4. autoexec.bat. And if something goes really wrong (like you did > something weird in a new program you wrote, and it crashes and locks > up the system) you just reboot. > > > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
