> Same _time_? Eeeeek! That sounds like a recipe for file corruption. > No, not tried and don't want to. But surely that isn't what you meant?
Yes, that's exactly what I mean - concurrency. My DOS use case is a multi-node BBS which needs a (safe) shared file system. (solved with MSNET and Samba) > And if you run them without graphics support, > you can pipe their output to other shell commands. If you use '-display curses'' you'll get a text-mode display similar to what you see with dosemu, so you can select text, etc. Personally I use VNC displays so I only have to see them when I want to. > TBH I am a bit surprised at this mailing list's apparent position on DOSemu. I would guess that linux people running DOS probably also virtualize other OSes (windows and linux come to mind) - why use multiple tools? - Darrin On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 1:48 PM Liam Proven <lpro...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 18:21, Jim Hall <jh...@freedos.org> wrote: > > > > From how you described it, I assumed you were talking about DEXE's. > > You said "runs DOS like a program under Linux" which is very similar > > to the "DOSEMU apps" (DEXE's) I mentioned. > > http://www.dosemu.org/docs/README/0.99/README-4.html > > No. In fact I had never even heard of that before. Sounds like it was > probably very useful a quarter of a century ago. :-) > > You know the maxim about "never assume", right? ;-) > > > I don't agree that this feature "makes DOS apps part of the apps on > > the computer" > > DOS apps (not games but productivity applications) are by nature text > mode apps, with only a few modern exceptions which probably won't work > well on DOSemu anyway. > > All xNix text-mode apps are designed and intended to exchange > information by means of plain text: either text files, or pipes. > > DOS apps under DOSemu *windows* work on whatever is in the Linux > filesystem, and that generally includes the ability to import or > export plain-text files. And if you run them without graphics support, > you can pipe their output to other shell commands. > > For me, that means that DOS apps can be used alongside with, and > interact with, Linux apps. That is what I was getting at when I said > that they work alongside Linux apps, as just another type of binary > you can run -- in a way that is _not_ true of DOS inside a VM. > > > but rather that FreeDOS (running in DOSEMU) and Linux > > can access the same files at the same time via a shared folder. > > Same files, yes. > > Shared folder? No. Why DOSemu was valuable *to me* is that I *didn't* > need a shared folder: everything DOS could see was Linux folders, > including its C drive and my home directory and so on. > > Same _time_? Eeeeek! That sounds like a recipe for file corruption. > No, not tried and don't want to. But surely that isn't what you meant? > > > Maybe > > that's a minor point, but "making DOS apps part of the apps on the > > computer" implies to me something like a DEXE. > > Um. I suppose that I can see what you mean, but you don't need that. > You can just invoke a DOS binary straight from the command line: > http://www.dosemu.org/docs/README/1.4/x724.html > > Again, I don't think you can do this with a VM and so these solutions > don't appeal to me. > > TBH I am a bit surprised at this mailing list's apparent position on > DOSemu. > > FreeDOS is the default OS supplied with DOSemu 1 and has been for many > many years. DOSemu 1 still works and is still included in many > distros, e.g. openSUSE. It's gone from Ubuntu 20.04 but it was there > in 18.04 and still works. It's easy to add. > > For me, it had multiple advantages that VMs don't have, so I am > puzzled that it sounds like nobody uses it any more and everyone > considers that it's gone away. > > > > As others have already said, you can also use a Linux directory as a > > DOS drive. Darrin pointed to a way to do it in QEMU, and Robert > > pointed to vvfat in Bochs. > > Interesting workarounds, but I'm still interested in getting the > original, simpler tool working, so I don't need any virtual disk > drives or anything. Is that a strange thing to want? It doesn't feel > like it is to me, but I do feel like an odd man out on this list. :-( > > -- > Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com > Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven > UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) > 702-829-053 > > > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >
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