I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq DOS
and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine in
enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is not
necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of kernel
incompatibility.
As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
(Orinoco Gold 802.11b PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
devices.
I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
home network setup for FreeDOS.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem <guilevi2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,
>
> Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
> tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As
> I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
> first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
> discs (and product key) nearby.
>
> What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
> atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
> can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted
> or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's more
> complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.
>
> Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
> originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
> like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier to
> use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not
> even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
> greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
> booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.
>
> The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
> to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools
> to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
> using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
> PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).
>
> > and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now are
> the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way
>
> At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB jump
> drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
> rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a
> lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.
>
> > and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that require
> a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of driver
> > that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard (in my
> case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
> > soundblaster to the realtek the right way?
>
> Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS
> being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot
> of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
> you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
> Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
> not all) games.
>
> > I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried
> developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations.
>
> In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't savvy
> enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did
> port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely
> based upon DOSBox! :-)
>
> Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that
> (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to care
> hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing
> universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but they
> sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although even
> that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than
> nothing!
>
> > Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's what
> this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so sure.
>
> I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to memory
> holes, I "only" get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is "too much"
> for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps
> (e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged.
>
> Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?).
>
> > I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way of
> using Ethernet because of how this house is set up.
> > I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is what
> I normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work all the way.
>
> This alone is probably the biggest advantage of emulators (e.g. VBox
> or QEMU, both of which I've used lately): easy to setup networking.
> You know by default that it will work, unlike native, where you can't
> be sure of anything!
>
> Granted, you mentioned Windows, but it's exactly Windows that doesn't
> support DOS well anymore (if at all). So while it seems crazy to use a
> software-only x86 emulator atop Windows on x86, sometimes it really is
> better than nothing.
>
> In short: it depends on what you're trying to do, and whether you can
> debug your own problems.
>
>
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