On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Nick M. Daly <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for discussing this, you both raise a lot of good points, and I > have a couple questions. > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:25:16 +0200, Markus Sabadello wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Michiel de Jong wrote: > > > > > > So even though ownCloud has a nicer interface than pyUnhosted, > > > getting apache, sqlite, GD, php5 and ownCloud 4.0.4 all on a device > > > with basically the power of a smartphone might be a bit ambitious... > > > > > > So let me think about what steps we would need: > > > > > > - add pagekite and pyUnhosted to the image. > > Easy, given this week's weekly-image changes. See: > > freedom-maker/bin/projects > > > > - pyUnhosted ... piped somehow to plinth > > Wordpress on Debian has actually solved this for us. See: > > /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/setup-mysql > > They dump the credentials to a file with the right permissions and > ownership and use that as the permanent data store. > > > > - become the default proxy for all devices on the wifi...? > > > > My understanding is that it would be a transparent proxy... they get > > privoxyfied automatically if they use the FreedomBox wifi. > > I haven't actually given a lot of thought to the box as a wireless host. > Most of my thinking has been using it as a host through the wild > intertubes. > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:45:43 +0200, Markus Sabadello wrote: > > Of course then people would have 2 wifis, not sure if that's good or bad. > > Good, because I think it would easily work with the setup that most > people > > have at home. > > Good also, because you can always choose to NOT use the FreedomBox. > > Bad, because it might be a more complex setup than it needs to be. > > There are a couple ways we could go here. > > 1. Replace your router with a FreedomBox. Technically, always possible, > though ISPs might get irritated. > > 2. Co-mingle your FBX and router. If people understand wifi, they'll > also understand multiple signals. As long as the FBX is an effective > proxy, I'm not worried about it, technically. Socially, though, it's > a weird thing: "You mean I have to click that wifi button *every > time* I want privacy?!" > > Ideally, people would just move away from their router's networks > altogether and push all their client devices' communications through > the FBX. > > > > on first use, you would have to opt-in to setting up the public > > > interface to your remoteStorage... we would have to set up said > > > service, with for instance a 5-year plan included in the purchase of > > > the off-the-shelf device... if we can resolve the first-use/wifi > > > question then i think putting a box with privoxy + > > > remoteStorage-through-pagekite on the market should be achievable. > > I'm a little leery of asking users to sign up for a service on a device > that's designed to let them host their own services. It seems > internally inconsistent. I don't think I have anything against offering > it as an option, but it shouldn't be the only one. We should also > listen to Zooko's advice and allow the folks who want to attach a GB - > TB scale device to host their own storage provider and contribute to a > (self-encrypted) shared FBX storage grid. I guess it's mostly a > question of which one gets done when. > > > We should also have some updating mechanism... > > 1. When the FreedomBox boots, it checks if a certain file (together with > a > > signature) is present on an attached USB drive. > > 2. If yes, and if the user enters their password, that file is executed > and > > can update the box. > > Why reinvent the wheel when we already have Debian's updating system? > Apt seems to work pretty well for the rest of the distribution. Any > reasons it won't work here? > Good point. Yeah I agree the standard updating mechanism should be used. That would be presented through Plinth, right? I.e. there would be a button saying "Update my FreedomBox"? Maybe the ability to stick a USB-drive-with-update-file into the box would still make sense. Kind of a backup recovery-mode option in case something went wrong with the box? Nick >
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