I guess one question is whether the FreedomBox should have SPARQL or some other semantic query language. Or is it good enough to simply be able to get/put entire Linked Data documents just like any other files.
I would tend to say it would be nice to have both Markus On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Melvin Carvalho <[email protected]>wrote: > > > On 1 July 2012 23:03, Markus Sabadello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Melvin Carvalho <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 1 July 2012 19:44, Markus Sabadello <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, having your own data on the FreedomBox via remoteStorage is >>>> exactly the core of the proposal. >>>> That, plus potentially integration with the FunkFeuer community >>>> wireless network in Vienna. >>>> >>>> Okay I have to say this.. >>>> We haven't submitted the proposal yet. >>>> If for some reason this is not a good idea, >>>> if this looks like an attempt to "hijack" FreedomBox, or "capitalize" >>>> on it, or anything like that, >>>> if there already is some sort of relationship between FreedomBox and >>>> Access that makes this proposal pointless, >>>> then we don't have to submit it. >>>> >>>> It was just an idea we came up with. >>>> It would effectively show ONE thing the FreedomBox could do (out of many >>>> ideas<http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2012-May/003867.html>, >>>> including social networking). >>>> It would show how different projects (FreedomBox, Unhosted, PageKite, >>>> FunkFeuer) could complement each other. >>>> >>>> I think we should at least wait until the hackfest is over, maybe >>>> longer, before we submit it. >>>> >>> >>> Makes sense to wait for feedback from the hackfest. >>> >>> Storing my own data (on my own box) is something I find very >>> interesting. But as far as I know I'm one of the only people that does >>> that. >>> >>> Im curious as to what solutions you might suggest for the data storage, >>> and what features are avaiable? ( personally I use data.fm ) >>> >> >> Hmm we would want to be compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage API, >> which does not include Linked Data. >> ownCloud might be an obvious option, but that's PHP. >> Bjarni wrote a simple implementation of remoteStorage in Python >> (here<https://github.com/pagekite/plugins-pyUnhosted>), >> which might fit in better with other Python-based FreedomBox components, >> but that's more limited than ownCloud. >> >> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but data.fm is read/write Linked Data >> and not compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage, right? >> >> In any case, the FreedomBox will need a flexible storage API for the >> various apps that would run on it. >> >> Perhaps it could support ownCloud/remoteStorage on one hand, but also >> read/write Linked Data like data.fm, which would be like what WebBox is >> also all about, as I understand. >> Perhaps remoteStorage could be modified to also work with data.fm, I >> don't know that. >> > > I believe all of remotestorage, owncloud and data.fm support WebDAV, so > that's perhaps a start. > > Freedombox has the advantage everyone using the standard package can have > a pretty decent data store, rather than, having to cater for many different > providers. These means the lowest common denominator can be that much > higher. > > >> >> >>> >> >>>> Markus >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Melvin Carvalho < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 June 2012 14:07, Markus Sabadello <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To be honest, I have never built a Debian package nor am I deeply >>>>>> familiar with the process. >>>>>> >>>>>> But all the pieces we're considering have Debian packages, i.e. >>>>>> PageKite, OLSRd, and for Unhosted there is OwnCloud, which has been >>>>>> considered a number of times on this list already. >>>>>> >>>>>> There really isn't much new about the proposal, just to help assemble >>>>>> a few things to the point where they can be demo'd at events and >>>>>> understood >>>>>> by end-users. >>>>>> It would help show the public that FreedomBox is real.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the response. A couple of questions about the proposal: >>>>> >>>>> Is the idea here to save your own data (ie remote storage) on your >>>>> freedom box? >>>>> >>>>> Would a minimal viable product, to demo FreedomBox, need to contain >>>>> some kind of social network? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Markus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Melvin Carvalho < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 June 2012 13:03, Markus Sabadello <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Heya, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So back in May, when I did a FreedomBox-related >>>>>>>> demo<http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/05/freedombox-at-the-internet-identity-workshop/>at >>>>>>>> the Internet Identity Workshop, I was made aware of the Access >>>>>>>> movement, >>>>>>>> which hosted the recent RightsCon and is also doing a lot of other >>>>>>>> great >>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They are now calling for proposals for the Access Innovation >>>>>>>> Prize<https://www.accessnow.org/prize>where you can win $20k. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So Michiel of Unhosted, Bjarni of PageKite, and myself have decided >>>>>>>> to submit a proposal, which would include building a simple FreedomBox >>>>>>>> prototype that runs an Unhosted "remoteStorage" component and PageKite >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> make it accessible from the open web. Also, the idea is to try >>>>>>>> integrate >>>>>>>> FreedomBox with the local FunkFeuer community mesh network in Vienna. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>> haven't submitted the proposal yet (deadline is August 15th), but >>>>>>>> here's >>>>>>>> the current text we're working on: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/54796496/Access%20Innovation%20Prize%202012 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Basically, the idea is that you could use any Unhosted-enabled web >>>>>>>> application out there, and your data remains on your FreedomBox. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that on the other thread there's a discussion about >>>>>>>> leadership and about joining in. >>>>>>>> I had all these questions too since I started working with >>>>>>>> FreedomBox, e.g. when I did demos, I wasn't sure to what extent I could >>>>>>>> speak "officially" about FreedomBox, how I could get involved, etc. >>>>>>>> In light of current criticism and allegations of vaporware, I think >>>>>>>> the answer is simply that everybody with ideas and resources should >>>>>>>> try to >>>>>>>> get something done in whatever way works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, so if we win the prize, then this could serve a few >>>>>>>> purposes.. >>>>>>>> 1. The three of us would have some $$$ to actively work and >>>>>>>> contribute to the FreedomBox at least for a little while. >>>>>>>> 2. The stuff we would work on (putting Unhosted and PageKite on the >>>>>>>> box) seems to align well with the "DropBox Replacement" idea that has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> floating around. >>>>>>>> 3. We would have an actual (limited functionality, but working) >>>>>>>> FreedomBox, and a minimal viable product that can be demo'd at >>>>>>>> conferences. >>>>>>>> 4. The prize would mean a PR boost for the involved projects. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think..? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will there be a debian package for this prototype? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Markus >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org >>>>>>>> Personal Data Ecosystem Consortium: >>>>>>>> http://personaldataecosystem.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >
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